tyson against the heavyweight legends

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Frazier wouldnt outsmart anyone, he was just very consistent, just rumbling forward the whole time, Mike had the same power late on in fights and was hard to hit as Larry said, he also took a good shot if he did get hit.

Frazier on the other hand was relatively easy to hit and did get hurt a few times, Mike would stop him in the first 4 rounds.

If you cant get out of the way of Foremans wide swinging punches your not gonna last long with Mike

[Trainer Monkey]

Frazier wouldnt outsmart anyone, he was just very consistent, just rumbling forward the whole time, Mike had the same power late on in fights and was hard to hit as Larry said, he also took a good shot if he did get hit.

Frazier on the other hand was relatively easy to hit and did get hurt a few times, Mike would stop him in the first 4 rounds.

If you cant get out of the way of Foremans wide swinging punches your not gonna last long with Mike

You are just a little fan boy aint ya,Frazier was WAYYYYYYYYYY smarter then Tyson in the ring

[Mr140]

Tyson was just mentally weak thats his downfall he like France things get tough he throws his hands up in defeat. Just watch the Holyfeild fight he broke Tyson down because Tyson found out he could not bully Holyfeild and then he went in to a shell so to speak i guess you could say.

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Frazier was so smart he couldnt get outta the way of Foremans wide slow punches but Ali who sat on the ropes and let Foreman hit him could

[Trainer Monkey]

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Frazier was so smart he couldnt get outta the way of Foremans wide slow punches but Ali who sat on the ropes and let Foreman hit him could

Watch his whole career,Frazier was spent after the first Ali fight

[RozzySean]

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Frazier was so smart he couldnt get outta the way of Foremans wide slow punches but Ali who sat on the ropes and let Foreman hit him could

Watch his whole career,Frazier was spent after the first Ali fight

Ice already explained the matchup issue well, but ross doesn't understand the matchup concept. Prime Frazier was 67-71. Even prime for prime, Foreman wins for the reasons outlined by ICB, but you think Frazier just barreled forward, watch him in the first Jimmy Ellis fight or the Buster Mathis fight, or even Ali I. Behind the swarming style, there was well developed technique and solid ring strategy.

[ICB]

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Frazier was so smart he couldnt get outta the way of Foremans wide slow punches but Ali who sat on the ropes and let Foreman hit him could

Foreman threw punches from underneath which was bad style match up for Joe Frazier's Bob an Weave style, Frazier was normally good at avoiding punches in his prime thats why he was able to get underneath quite alot Ali's punches who is very quick, and even Ali stated it was hard to hit Frazier at times. But Ali rarely threw uppercuts or punches from underneath thats why he was nowhere as effective as Foreman. And thats exactly why Mike Tyson would lose to Foreman and thats why he avoided him

[Trainer Monkey]

Whats sad is while Im rarely a "fan" of any boxer,but I knew watching Tyson coming up is he was going to be champ,it was inevitable. I looked at the division at the time,and watched him,and bluntly said,"He's going to be champ".
I dont dislike Tyson as a fighter,but he was painfully one dimensional, anybody who could take his power early had him late.
Of course I also called Foremans comeback,the fight against Guido Trane was frightening in its brutality, Ive almost never seen a guy so thoroughly abused,it wasnt where he's bleeding from,it was where isnt he bleeding from

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When did Mike avoid Foreman?

Im sure Mike would have gladly taken another easy payday to batter an old has been, saying that, he did politely decline an offer from Frazier

Look at Foremans prime and tell me how many title successfull defences he made and for that matter Liston, it is incredible that these fighters get alot more credit for mediocre reigns whereas Mike wiped a division clean

[Trainer Monkey]

When did Mike avoid Foreman?

Im sure Mike would have gladly taken another easy payday to batter an old has been, saying that, he did politely decline an offer from Frazier

Look at Foremans prime and tell me how many title successfull defences he made and for that matter Liston, it is incredible that these fighters get alot more credit for mediocre reigns whereas Mike wiped a division clean

Um,mmmmmmmmmmm Liston fought Ali not Pinklon Thomas

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How many defences did he manage before that, he couldnt even catch Ali, Cooper and Jones decked him but Liston couldnt touch him.

[ICB]

When did Mike avoid Foreman?

Im sure Mike would have gladly taken another easy payday to batter an old has been, saying that, he did politely decline an offer from Frazier

Look at Foremans prime and tell me how many title successfull defences he made and for that matter Liston, it is incredible that these fighters get alot more credit for mediocre reigns whereas Mike wiped a division clean

George Foreman was in a much stronger era and id pick Joe Frazier, Ken Norton, over any of Mike Tyson's challengers. And actually its well known Mike Tyson avoided George Foreman, and Tyson also avoided David Tua, and Lennox Lewis in 1996.

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Tyson also avoided Lennox Lewis in 1996.

No Lennox galdly took a measly 4 million rather than go to court to force the issue (as he did later on to stop Mike having a warm up fight with Mercer a few months before their fight and to stop Rahman making a defence before their rematch) and take the bigger pay day and fame for the actual fight.

Lewis wasnt sure of himself at that point and more importantly he saw Mike still had a pulse and who was Tua back then?

Someone who a few years earlier had been sparked by Felix Savon

Ps, sorry it was Banks who decked Ali, not Jones, it was Jones he got a gift decision against.