tyson against the heavyweight legends

[ICB]

Ok




Frazier was so smart he couldnt get outta the way of Foremans wide slow punches but Ali who sat on the ropes and let Foreman hit him could

Foreman threw punches from underneath which was bad style match up for Joe Frazier's Bob an Weave style, Frazier was normally good at avoiding punches in his prime thats why he was able to get underneath quite alot Ali's punches who is very quick, and even Ali stated it was hard to hit Frazier at times. But Ali rarely threw uppercuts or punches from underneath thats why he was nowhere as effective as Foreman. And thats exactly why Mike Tyson would lose to Foreman and thats why he avoided him

[Trainer Monkey]

Whats sad is while Im rarely a "fan" of any boxer,but I knew watching Tyson coming up is he was going to be champ,it was inevitable. I looked at the division at the time,and watched him,and bluntly said,"He's going to be champ".
I dont dislike Tyson as a fighter,but he was painfully one dimensional, anybody who could take his power early had him late.
Of course I also called Foremans comeback,the fight against Guido Trane was frightening in its brutality, Ive almost never seen a guy so thoroughly abused,it wasnt where he's bleeding from,it was where isnt he bleeding from

[ross]

When did Mike avoid Foreman?

Im sure Mike would have gladly taken another easy payday to batter an old has been, saying that, he did politely decline an offer from Frazier

Look at Foremans prime and tell me how many title successfull defences he made and for that matter Liston, it is incredible that these fighters get alot more credit for mediocre reigns whereas Mike wiped a division clean

[Trainer Monkey]

When did Mike avoid Foreman?

Im sure Mike would have gladly taken another easy payday to batter an old has been, saying that, he did politely decline an offer from Frazier

Look at Foremans prime and tell me how many title successfull defences he made and for that matter Liston, it is incredible that these fighters get alot more credit for mediocre reigns whereas Mike wiped a division clean

Um,mmmmmmmmmmm Liston fought Ali not Pinklon Thomas

[ross]

How many defences did he manage before that, he couldnt even catch Ali, Cooper and Jones decked him but Liston couldnt touch him.

[Trainer Monkey]

How many defences did he manage before that, he couldnt even catch Ali, Cooper and Jones decked him but Liston couldnt touch him.

One against Patterson
Who was better then anybody Tyson fought

[ICB]

How many defences did he manage before that, he couldnt even catch Ali, Cooper and Jones decked him but Liston couldnt touch him.

Doug Jones never decked Muhammad Ali watch the fight.

[ICB]

When did Mike avoid Foreman?

Im sure Mike would have gladly taken another easy payday to batter an old has been, saying that, he did politely decline an offer from Frazier

Look at Foremans prime and tell me how many title successfull defences he made and for that matter Liston, it is incredible that these fighters get alot more credit for mediocre reigns whereas Mike wiped a division clean

George Foreman was in a much stronger era and id pick Joe Frazier, Ken Norton, over any of Mike Tyson's challengers. And actually its well known Mike Tyson avoided George Foreman, and Tyson also avoided David Tua, and Lennox Lewis in 1996.

[ross]

Tyson also avoided Lennox Lewis in 1996.

No Lennox galdly took a measly 4 million rather than go to court to force the issue (as he did later on to stop Mike having a warm up fight with Mercer a few months before their fight and to stop Rahman making a defence before their rematch) and take the bigger pay day and fame for the actual fight.

Lewis wasnt sure of himself at that point and more importantly he saw Mike still had a pulse and who was Tua back then?

Someone who a few years earlier had been sparked by Felix Savon

Ps, sorry it was Banks who decked Ali, not Jones, it was Jones he got a gift decision against.

[Trainer Monkey]

Tyson also avoided Lennox Lewis in 1996.

No Lennox galdly took a measly 4 million rather than go to court to force the issue (as he did later on to stop Mike having a warm up fight with Mercer a few months before their fight and to stop Rahman making a defence before their rematch) and take the bigger pay day and fame for the actual fight.

Lewis wasnt sure of himself at that point and more importantly he saw Mike still had a pulse and who was Tua back then?

Someone who a few years earlier had been sparked by Felix Savon

Ps, sorry it was Banks who decked Ali, not Jones, it was Jones he got a gift decision against.

Ali didnt get a gift,he started slow,but most of what Jones landed wasnt clean or legal,Jones best shots were to the back of the head

[Master]

Tyson in his prime would beat fighters like Dempsey, Louis, Marciano and Fraiser as well as Foreman (toss up). However he was not greater champion than Louis who made 25 defences, Tyson burnt out after 4 years. He would struggle against the great boxers like Ali, Holmes and Lennox but that does not mean he could not beat them.

[ross]

The thing with Mike Tyson is when you look at all his attributes at his best power, speed, elusiveness, sharpness, resiliance, stamina and skill, you could not make any fighter in history a dead cert to beat him, he was capable of doing what he did to Spinks and Holmes to anyone.

Purists dont like him because of what he let himself become but while he was the golden boy, the spokesman for the New York police department and the FBI, advertising Pepsi and his own nintendo games (no other fighter has had his appeal) people were saying that Mike would beat Ali.

Its only after King led him astray and basicly ruined him as a fighter that the media started to turn on him and every Tom Dick and Harry threw law suits at him that he became vilified, all his excellent work was quickly forgotten, that is until people moan about the state of the heavys and ask where the next Tyson is coming from to clean up the division and dominate