I love Joe Calzaghe!

[Fenster]

I used to really like Pavlik but his lovers have turned me against him.

Come on Hopkins!!! I would love that boring old bastard to spark him clean out.

[Bomp]

I used to really like Pavlik but his lovers have turned me against him.

Come on Hopkins!!! I would love that boring old bastard to spark him clean out.

I'm going the same way.

The whole Pavlik power thing is a bit much. Yes he hits hard but he's no julian Jackson. He gets the majority of his KO's through pressure, remarkably similar to Joe earlier on in his career. IMO Eubank has at least the same single punch power than Pavlik (probably more), his KO ratio is lower since he simply isn't a 100 punches a round pressure fighter.
Same goes for Mitchell, Brewer, Lacy, Kessler, Hopkins.

The only reason a Calzaghe-Pavlik fight may be competitive nowadays is joe's advancing years, and he HAS been slowing down recently. Simple reason is that come forward fighters are his bread and butter.

[Deanrw]

I used to really like Pavlik but his lovers have turned me against him.

Come on Hopkins!!! I would love that boring old bastard to spark him clean out.

You know, that really works both ways!LOL

[Fenster]

I used to really like Pavlik but his lovers have turned me against him.

Come on Hopkins!!! I would love that boring old bastard to spark him clean out.

You know, that really works both ways!LOL

I guess you guys are excited by your new hero.. like a kid with a new toy.

I predict in two years time Pavlik will be the new Lacy.

[Deanrw]

I used to really like Pavlik but his lovers have turned me against him.

Come on Hopkins!!! I would love that boring old bastard to spark him clean out.

You know, that really works both ways!LOL

I guess you guys are excited by your new hero.. like a kid with a new toy.

I predict in two years time Pavlik will be the new Lacy.

#1 Pavlik is not my hero, but he is a fighter I respect. He takes on all comers. There should be many more like him.

#2 Joe has shown indications of preferring the safe route. On top of that he feeds complete and utter bullshit to the press in the hopes to promote his current fight he has lined up. Contradicts himself left and right in his quest to go out in, this is his own words mind you, a "Blaze Of Glory". The guy is a fruitcake plain and simple. I cannot believe I used to respect that turd.

Pavlik may very well lose soon, maybe even against Hopkins, but at least he is approaching his craft with old fashioned honor and dignity and willing to test himself.

[Scott22]

pavlik and joe are two of boxing best fighters. i don't think either loses easily. i see a great fight

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

You know, that really works both ways!LOL

I guess you guys are excited by your new hero.. like a kid with a new toy.

I predict in two years time Pavlik will be the new Lacy.

#1 Pavlik is not my hero, but he is a fighter I respect. He takes on all comers. There should be many more like him.

#2 Joe has shown indications of preferring the safe route. On top of that he feeds complete and utter bullshit to the press in the hopes to promote his current fight he has lined up. Contradicts himself left and right in his quest to go out in, this is his own words mind you, a "Blaze Of Glory". The guy is a fruitcake plain and simple. I cannot believe I used to respect that turd.

Pavlik may very well lose soon, maybe even against Hopkins, but at least he is approaching his craft with old fashioned honor and dignity and willing to test himself.

Well played Dean. Smashup? I've rarely read your posts but you've come off as a douchbag in like two of the last threads I've read...

Look... Joe is a great champ... A HOFer in IMHO but do please remember what Pavlik is... A warrior. Joe claimed to be and.... I know... I know... Frank Warren was the reason he waited til the best men were past it... I know Hopkins ducked Joe... I know Jones ducked Joe....

I like joe but open your fuckin eyes,man! He allowed himself to get protected out of his legacy.... You think in 50 yrs people outside of Wales will preach his name? NO!

Ride his nuts into retirement cuz he doesn't have the sack to face kelly cuz he's afraid of ghosts!... Sorry, buddy

FACT!

[smashup]

Are you upset i crushed your leader?

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

Are you upset i crushed your leader?

Nah, man...

You're just deluded...

Kind of like me when I thought my New England Patriots could go over 21 game undefeated... I forgot what it was like to lose.

You're pitting your aging champ(who has fought with great merit) against a young champion who can keep his foot on the peddle for as long as Joe can... You're talking like he's already won and talking like an asshole at that...

Smashup... I'm fans of fighters but I don't grab onto their nuts like they spew milk... chill out and open your eyes and talk about HOW he'd beat Pavlik and not that it would just happen...

[ICB]

Are you upset i crushed your leader?

There is no leader here we all have our own opinions i don't care who it is if i disagree with someone, i'll debate with them no matter who it is. Most of Joe Calzaghe's best wins were on the downslide IMO, no one is doubting Joe Calzaghe is a class fighter but his record has some question marks for certain............

But he is also on the downslide IMO he isn't as fast, nor is his combination's as effective, plus his power has totally gone. I think Kelly Pavlik has a great chance against Joe Calzaghe, he is much more proven at world class level than Jeff Lacy was, who was struggling with mediocre fighters even before Joe Calzaghe fight.

[Violent Demise]

Are you upset i crushed your leader?

Self-esteem issues, huh? If you say it enough times you might convince yourself. It's obvious you can't edit my posts to your liking like you do in the other board. Sucks, huh?

[Fenster]

You know, that really works both ways!LOL

I guess you guys are excited by your new hero.. like a kid with a new toy.

I predict in two years time Pavlik will be the new Lacy.

#1 Pavlik is not my hero, but he is a fighter I respect. He takes on all comers. There should be many more like him.

#2 Joe has shown indications of preferring the safe route. On top of that he feeds complete and utter bullshit to the press in the hopes to promote his current fight he has lined up. Contradicts himself left and right in his quest to go out in, this is his own words mind you, a "Blaze Of Glory". The guy is a fruitcake plain and simple. I cannot believe I used to respect that turd.

Pavlik may very well lose soon, maybe even against Hopkins, but at least he is approaching his craft with old fashioned honor and dignity and willing to test himself.

Yeah right.

Pavliks last two fights have been against a guy he previously blasted out in 7 rounds and a guy not even good enough to win a British title, who took the place of the fearsome and deadly John Duddy!!!

Now he is facing a Calzaghe victim in ancient old Bernard Hopkins - at 170. Avoiding Arthur Abraham and conveniently IGNORING the supermiddleweights - Kessler and Bute. All the while chasing another OLDMAN in no-hands Calzaghe.

Stop kidding yourself with the Kelly Pavlik throwback spiel. Pavlik wants the oldboys for the MONEY!!! He is no different to any other modern fighter with the potential to EARN. If guided CAREFULLY enough he might last a while. Fact.

[Bomp]

I guess you guys are excited by your new hero.. like a kid with a new toy.

I predict in two years time Pavlik will be the new Lacy.

#1 Pavlik is not my hero, but he is a fighter I respect. He takes on all comers. There should be many more like him.

#2 Joe has shown indications of preferring the safe route. On top of that he feeds complete and utter bullshit to the press in the hopes to promote his current fight he has lined up. Contradicts himself left and right in his quest to go out in, this is his own words mind you, a "Blaze Of Glory". The guy is a fruitcake plain and simple. I cannot believe I used to respect that turd.

Pavlik may very well lose soon, maybe even against Hopkins, but at least he is approaching his craft with old fashioned honor and dignity and willing to test himself.

Yeah right.

Pavliks last two fights have been against a guy he previously blasted out in 7 rounds and a guy not even good enough to win a British title, who took the place of the fearsome and deadly John Duddy!!!

Now he is facing a Calzaghe victim in ancient old Bernard Hopkins - at 170. Avoiding Arthur Abraham and conveniently IGNORING the supermiddleweights - Kessler and Bute. All the while chasing another OLDMAN in no-hands Calzaghe.

Stop kidding yourself with the Kelly Pavlik throwback spiel. Pavlik wants the oldboys for the MONEY!!! He is no different to any other modern fighter with the potential to EARN. If guided CAREFULLY enough he might last a while. Fact.

Exactly. Calzaghe gets a lot of shit for his career, but in the last two years he fought three fighters who (at the time) were the number 1 choice of his critics to face. 1) He HAD to fight Lacy, and he did, 2) summer of 2007 Calzaghe was chasing Taylor, and ALL the boxing boards had poll's, and guess what they were all for Kessler as most fans were disinterested in Taylor after his performances against smaller men. 3) Hopkins was next on the list.


Pavlik is a good exciting young fighter with a bright future ahead of him, yet he's talked up by some as past JC in achievement already
Joe was ciriticised in summer of 2007 for chasing Taylor rather than Kessler, yet Taylor is Pavlik's ONLY win world level. We're endlessly told how Pavlik has incredible power, yet he had to land a hundred flush power shots to get Miranda out of their, something Abraham did with less than a dozen.

Calzaghe fans are told endlessly thread after thread that Pavlik would KHTFO, yet when Smash says something in the same vain in return he is set upon like fleas on shit (and apparaently it's us Brits who overrate our fighters).

you're spot on Fenster about Pavlik's opposition, if he wanted to make a statement he'd chase a strong supermiddle rather than a 43 yr old with stamina issues. I'm sure someone will call me a hypocrite since Joe chose the same opponent last time out, yet Hopkins hadn't shown the same stamina issues prior, and Joe is old himself.

[smashup]

Well said bomp...

They really don't wanna f*ck with the Smash
Remember that shit "goes off" big time while annoying little flies/fleas always get swatted

[Deanrw]

I guess you guys are excited by your new hero.. like a kid with a new toy.

I predict in two years time Pavlik will be the new Lacy.

#1 Pavlik is not my hero, but he is a fighter I respect. He takes on all comers. There should be many more like him.

#2 Joe has shown indications of preferring the safe route. On top of that he feeds complete and utter bullshit to the press in the hopes to promote his current fight he has lined up. Contradicts himself left and right in his quest to go out in, this is his own words mind you, a "Blaze Of Glory". The guy is a fruitcake plain and simple. I cannot believe I used to respect that turd.

Pavlik may very well lose soon, maybe even against Hopkins, but at least he is approaching his craft with old fashioned honor and dignity and willing to test himself.

Yeah right.

Pavliks last two fights have been against a guy he previously blasted out in 7 rounds and a guy not even good enough to win a British title, who took the place of the fearsome and deadly John Duddy!!!

Now he is facing a Calzaghe victim in ancient old Bernard Hopkins - at 170. Avoiding Arthur Abraham and conveniently IGNORING the supermiddleweights - Kessler and Bute. All the while chasing another OLDMAN in no-hands Calzaghe.

Stop kidding yourself with the Kelly Pavlik throwback spiel. Pavlik wants the oldboys for the MONEY!!! He is no different to any other modern fighter with the potential to EARN. If guided CAREFULLY enough he might last a while. Fact.

The guy he had blasted out in 7 rounds, had a rematch clause. The guy not even good enough to win a British title, was actually a mandatory from the Warren Boxing Organization. You know them, the same ones that spoon fed Joe the Tucker Pudwell's during his distinguished reign to keep that reign intact? They were trying to create a new Calzaghe to keep that great tradition alive.

You call Hopkins a Calzaghe victom? The only victom's were the fans watching it. So pavlik wants to earn some money while going after the two self proclaimed kingpins around his weight class and use them as stepping stones. Yes that is considered taking on all comers. And don't even bother mentioning Abraham, he has his mandatory to get through first and will probably over price himself big time anyway.