I think this showed how much best ODLH is than Mosley at this point

[CutMeMick]

Quite simple...

1. Size difference (if you didn't see it your blind)
2. Styles make fights





Anyone who judges SSM on last nights fight is blind IMO.

[Kev]

Quite simple...

1. Size difference (if you didn't see it your blind)
2. Styles make fights





Anyone who judges SSM on last nights fight is blind IMO.

I agree with Mick on this, Mosely is much smaller than Oscar who has even fought at 160, so Mayorga's size was always going to be a problem. In the ring they looked two weight classes apart.

Also, and something nobody else has mentioned, but I think Mayorga was FAR more prepared, physically and mentally for this fight than he was against Oscar.

Oscar didn't beat the version of Mayorga that Mosely did.

Also compare how flat and shit Oscar looked against Steve Forbes to Mosely's display against Cotto and Collazo and you really can't say Mosely has slipped much.

He's still world class, took on and beat a real strong determined fighter in Mayorga who outweighted him by almost a full stone on the night.

[Taeth]

lol, Oscar didn't look flat at all againt Forbes... He was moving well the whole night, following in behind his jab, he was throwing excellent combinations, and he was going to the body well. The one thing I think hurt him was he underestimated Forbes speed, or decided Forbes couldn't hurt him at all, so he abandoned defense a bit in that fight.

Oscar made Mayorga look worse, it wasn't because Mayorga came in better against Mosley. I am not talking about the fact that Oscar ko'ed him earlier as much as Oscar was much better defensively against Mayorga, his movement was better, he actually had a jab to control Mayorga's offense, he was countering better.

Obviously he hit harder as well, but in terms of who was landing cleaner shots, while not getting hit by clean shots, Oscar wins hands down. That has nothing to do with size. Oscar beat Mayorga more emphatically than Trinidad as well who is larger than Oscar.

Also lets look at Mosley-COllazo, before Collazo broke his hand it sure looked close. He was matching Mosley's speed, and he was countering him, but as soon as he broke that left hand he stopped throwing any punches which Emmanuel commented on the whole night. Mosley looked good that night, but against Cotto I don't think he looked good at all. Cotto outtimed him, outpunched him, and was the better man. The only credit I gave Mosley was that he has his invulnerability and he walked through a few halacious punches, and he land that right hand which is the one punch he has managed to retain.

Personally, I have never found Mosley to be as good as everyone has. I think he was a gifted athlete who was tought poorly how to fight, and that his athletic ability more than his skills have continued to push him through. I think if he had, had a less granite chin, he wouldn't have achieved half of what he did north of the lightweight division.

[Kev]

lol, Oscar didn't look flat at all againt Forbes... He was moving well the whole night, following in behind his jab, he was throwing excellent combinations, and he was going to the body well. The one thing I think hurt him was he underestimated Forbes speed, or decided Forbes couldn't hurt him at all, so he abandoned defense a bit in that fight.

Oscar made Mayorga look worse, it wasn't because Mayorga came in better against Mosley. I am not talking about the fact that Oscar ko'ed him earlier as much as Oscar was much better defensively against Mayorga, his movement was better, he actually had a jab to control Mayorga's offense, he was countering better.

Obviously he hit harder as well, but in terms of who was landing cleaner shots, while not getting hit by clean shots, Oscar wins hands down. That has nothing to do with size. Oscar beat Mayorga more emphatically than Trinidad as well who is larger than Oscar.

Also lets look at Mosley-COllazo, before Collazo broke his hand it sure looked close. He was matching Mosley's speed, and he was countering him, but as soon as he broke that left hand he stopped throwing any punches which Emmanuel commented on the whole night. Mosley looked good that night, but against Cotto I don't think he looked good at all. Cotto outtimed him, outpunched him, and was the better man. The only credit I gave Mosley was that he has his invulnerability and he walked through a few halacious punches, and he land that right hand which is the one punch he has managed to retain.

Personally, I have never found Mosley to be as good as everyone has. I think he was a gifted athlete who was tought poorly how to fight, and that his athletic ability more than his skills have continued to push him through. I think if he had, had a less granite chin, he wouldn't have achieved half of what he did north of the lightweight division.

lol I found myself disagreeing with every single line of this post

[CutMeMick]

lol, Oscar didn't look flat at all againt Forbes... He was moving well the whole night, following in behind his jab, he was throwing excellent combinations, and he was going to the body well. The one thing I think hurt him was he underestimated Forbes speed, or decided Forbes couldn't hurt him at all, so he abandoned defense a bit in that fight.

Oscar made Mayorga look worse, it wasn't because Mayorga came in better against Mosley. I am not talking about the fact that Oscar ko'ed him earlier as much as Oscar was much better defensively against Mayorga, his movement was better, he actually had a jab to control Mayorga's offense, he was countering better.

Obviously he hit harder as well, but in terms of who was landing cleaner shots, while not getting hit by clean shots, Oscar wins hands down. That has nothing to do with size. Oscar beat Mayorga more emphatically than Trinidad as well who is larger than Oscar.

Also lets look at Mosley-COllazo, before Collazo broke his hand it sure looked close. He was matching Mosley's speed, and he was countering him, but as soon as he broke that left hand he stopped throwing any punches which Emmanuel commented on the whole night. Mosley looked good that night, but against Cotto I don't think he looked good at all. Cotto outtimed him, outpunched him, and was the better man. The only credit I gave Mosley was that he has his invulnerability and he walked through a few halacious punches, and he land that right hand which is the one punch he has managed to retain.

Personally, I have never found Mosley to be as good as everyone has. I think he was a gifted athlete who was tought poorly how to fight, and that his athletic ability more than his skills have continued to push him through. I think if he had, had a less granite chin, he wouldn't have achieved half of what he did north of the lightweight division.

You know as I read this I was thinking OK, he's got some valid points...

Then you end it with that sentece...

"IF"...

If my grandma had wheels she'd be bike.

I that case I'm gonna say:
"If Berto didn't have the hand speed he has he would have lost to Forbes"

[RozzySean]

lol, Oscar didn't look flat at all againt Forbes... He was moving well the whole night, following in behind his jab, he was throwing excellent combinations, and he was going to the body well. The one thing I think hurt him was he underestimated Forbes speed, or decided Forbes couldn't hurt him at all, so he abandoned defense a bit in that fight.

Oscar made Mayorga look worse, it wasn't because Mayorga came in better against Mosley. I am not talking about the fact that Oscar ko'ed him earlier as much as Oscar was much better defensively against Mayorga, his movement was better, he actually had a jab to control Mayorga's offense, he was countering better.

Obviously he hit harder as well, but in terms of who was landing cleaner shots, while not getting hit by clean shots, Oscar wins hands down. That has nothing to do with size. Oscar beat Mayorga more emphatically than Trinidad as well who is larger than Oscar.

Also lets look at Mosley-COllazo, before Collazo broke his hand it sure looked close. He was matching Mosley's speed, and he was countering him, but as soon as he broke that left hand he stopped throwing any punches which Emmanuel commented on the whole night. Mosley looked good that night, but against Cotto I don't think he looked good at all. Cotto outtimed him, outpunched him, and was the better man. The only credit I gave Mosley was that he has his invulnerability and he walked through a few halacious punches, and he land that right hand which is the one punch he has managed to retain.

Personally, I have never found Mosley to be as good as everyone has. I think he was a gifted athlete who was tought poorly how to fight, and that his athletic ability more than his skills have continued to push him through. I think if he had, had a less granite chin, he wouldn't have achieved half of what he did north of the lightweight division.

Wow. Sound like you are describing one of your man-crushes Roy Jones Jr, except replace "granite chin" with "god-like reflexes." But you rate Jones as the greatest ever and you think Mosley is overrated. I don't get it. Both are great fighters with one fatal flaw, and Roy's gets him KO'd while Shane's gets him beat on a UD. And I don't mean Roy's chin, I mean he leaving his chin open when he throws the left hook. I guess you prefer incredible athletes that talk a lot of trash and don't take risks with their careers more than incredibly talented athletes who are willing to fight the best available opponents.

[Mr140]

Shane in his prime was at 135 and i pick hime to beat Mayweather and Oscar at that weight so i dont really care waht he does above it.