Still doubting Berto?

[ICB]

Well you could say Hopkins was not prime and Toney was weigth drained.

Roy Jones Jr was more green than Bernard Hopkins so thats not a valid excuse, James Toney was a top 3 P4P fighter and always had weight problems.

I dont know ICB,Jones had that olympic/Amatuer pedigree (I do not believe that translates fully to the pro's but its experience) and was riding huge spotlight features on HBO,Hopkins was plodding along on BET cards and never in the big time until then.

Well Hopkins did have his fair share of prison boxing fights Spicoli

[Trainer Monkey]

Roy Jones Jr was more green than Bernard Hopkins so thats not a valid excuse, James Toney was a top 3 P4P fighter and always had weight problems.

I dont know ICB,Jones had that olympic/Amatuer pedigree (I do not believe that translates fully to the pro's but its experience) and was riding huge spotlight features on HBO,Hopkins was plodding along on BET cards and never in the big time until then.

Well Hopkins did have his fair share of prison boxing fights Spicoli

Not sure your being as funny as you think,Hopkins was Prison Champ,and there are some guys in Graterford who would eat Mike Tysons babies

[Mr140]

Well i got to say Shane wins to me are just as impressive as Jones. I mean he jumped up to beat Oscar and then jump up to fight him again. The secound was not a clear cut win for Shane as the first but still close go either way and still got the win for it so. I would say that Shanes to wins over a prime Oscar and jumping divsions to fight him is better then Hopkins who at the time was not the force of Oscar and Toney was not either i think for me those are wins that made there careers.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

I dont know ICB,Jones had that olympic/Amatuer pedigree (I do not believe that translates fully to the pro's but its experience) and was riding huge spotlight features on HBO,Hopkins was plodding along on BET cards and never in the big time until then.

Well Hopkins did have his fair share of prison boxing fights Spicoli

Not sure your being as funny as you think,Hopkins was Prison Champ,and there are some guys in Graterford who would eat Mike Tysons babies

Ahhhh... TM, that's why I love you... Well played