Quote Originally Posted by Lyle View Post
Have you considered we were going to Iraq anyway 9/11 or no 9/11? Have you considered that Saddam could have just followed the treaty of the Persian Gulf War? Have you considered that even as botched as this war has been that it is admirable that the US decided to stay and fix what we broke and not leave the aforementioned "poor Iraqi civilians" to be brutalized by whatever tough guy would have taken over?


I'll argue with people all fucking day about Iraq it doesn't matter how we got there (mainly because nobody can change that) it matters that we are there now and it matters what we do there right now. But that's apparently too much for the anti-war people to handle at this point in time....oh let's sit down and have a finger pointing session while Iraq is in a state of anarchy....oh splendid.


Doesn't it matter that this mess gets cleaned up? Oh no I'm sorry what was I thinking we just have to find people to blame and everything will fix itself....that's the way of the world.
Going there for any reason was wrong. Manipulating the emotion of 9/11 and the general ignorance of the populace was a brilliant move, it was also morally indefensible.

It DOES matter how you got there. Saying it doesn't matter absolves anyone of being guilty. Just because it makes you look/feel badly or guilty or whatever, it does fucking matter. It sure as shit matters to all those who have died. I've never heard anyone say "Well, it doesn't matter why WW2 started."

So because Saddam didn't follow the rules imposed on him (it was as much a treaty as the Versailles "treaty"), that gives the American's the right to invade, kill tens of thousands of people, and somehow manage, through an enormous cluster-fuck of errors that would be laughable if it wasn't so pathetic, to make the country the most dangerous place on earth. The Iraqi's were exponentially better off under Sadam, how incredibly fucked up is that?? The U.S. is absolutely no different from the fiction "random Tough Guy" boogeman you speak of.

It's not admirable that you stay their either, there's nothing admirable about it. You made the mess, there is nothing admirable about cleaning it up. What a fucking pathetic rationalization. You're the biggest idiot I have ever known if you believe that bullshit (and I know you don't). Though it is very considerate of you guys to wash up all the blood. I'm sure the Iraqi's are very greatful. And when one of them or their sympathizers perpetrates a crime against the U.S. that makes 9/11 look like the goddamn Teddy Bears picnic you keep spouting your bullshit excuses for what you've done.