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Re: How would have Margarito done in the early 80's or 90's WW divisions?
If two would have been able to crack that granite chin, I would have to go with Tito and Hearns. If Hearns fought his best fight and worked off his jab, there is a good chance he could beat Tony. Hearns was capable of fighting well off his back foot and still delivering a punch. That's a fight I would like to see.
I don't see Tony beating Tito at WW. Tito never lost a war. He only got outboxed. I can see him going down, but he got off the canvas several times to win.
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I see Tito beating Margo with ease, being faster and stronger and more technical.
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he wouldnt have lasted with leonard, hearns, tito, odlh, nobody. but he could last with the guys in the division today except for paul williams
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Originally Posted by kingfrnk
he wouldnt have lasted with leonard, hearns, tito, odlh, nobody. but he could last with the guys in the division today except for paul williams
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It could be debated all day and night about who Tony could have beat in the 80's or 90's....We can debate on why they would beat him...Speed...Too Good a Boxer etc....
Fact is for all his shortcomings he has proven he can get it done against anyone need be.
None of the formentioned on this thread would KO him..with maybe the exception of Hearns.....
Tony is the type of fighter that could beat any elite fighter on any given night depending on his mindset...He could also lose to any elie fighter on any given night
If I recall I remember a thread a while back about Cotto and how he would do against the guys mentioned on this thread and many stated nCotto would come out on top...Tony beat Cotto handily...
Margarito could bang toe to toe with anyone and absorb anyones shots..He hits as hard as any other WW and when in the right mindset he is brutal.....
Cintron hit's as hard as Tito, DLH, Duran.....Cotto has better body work then all of them....
You can search all day for reasons why he would have lost to them but he has proven just as much why he could beat any of them..
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first bold comment. I wasn't one of them.
second bold comment; Cintron wishes he had the Power of Tito.
Hey let's get this straight. Margarito is no technician he is pure chin Cotto hit him with everything but a guy like Tito, and Oscar would make real damage in Margaros chin hitting him fush all night like Cotto did with seriously more power.
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Felix Trinidad was a beast at Welterweight only iron chinned fighters like Pernell Whitaker, ODLH, Hector Camacho, went the distance with him at Welterweight.
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Brilliant...
Very well said...
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Why did we not mention Pernell in this thread he was a great welter. Anyhow i can not see Margrito beating Sugar Ray Leonard i think he makes Margrito look silly and wins ever round proable have time to showboat as well doing windmill and stuff like that and still hit Margrito. Nothing i have ever seen out of Margrito that makes me think he could beat Leonard and no way he hurting Sugar Ray Leonard. So you tell me how he stands a chance against Leonard Khan i cant see it at all. Margrito not on the level of Sugar Ray Leonard and dont think he ever while be either.
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Margarito would give any era a tough time with his chin and work-rate.
remember 4 of his losses were when he was a pup fighting pros with 30-40 fights. Casual fans see 5 losses and think bum.
Real fans know its because his level of comp has been high from the start.
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Who did Trinidad fight that had a granite chin, and was as big and strong as him? Nobody that I saw, Vargas didn't have the chin. Also same with Hearns, I think its a quite a leap to assume he could hurt Margarito, and also Hearns had horrible stamina especially at WW. He would not be able to go 15 rounds back up against Margarito. He never had the stamina had 147 to do that. I am obviously not saying he is cut from the same clothe as Hearns or any of these as you all know I hate Margarito, but I understand the problems he presents. I think Leonard can deal with it, I think De La Hoya can deal with it, I think Duran can, but people who are talking about MOsley and his speed, he sucks off his back foot, and he always has. He is horrible going backwards, and thats what Margarito would have him do. Mosley has always had poor lateral movement, and while Margarito would miss in the middle of the ring, I see no reason to believe Mosley's poor defense would be able to keep Margarito at bay, when TOny gets him against the ropes.
Once again people are being dumb here for two reasons. 1) You are glorifying the past. It is a psychological effect for people to think the past was better then the present, and its stupid. 2) Trying to compare fights today with back then.
Hearns had bad stamina, and not a great defense. If MArgarito can handle his power he wins, Hearns was a very slick boxer, good defensively if you were trying to box him, but not good defensively on the inside, or in a brawl. If Margarito handles his power, this goes ala Hagler-Hearns, only it takes 8 more rounds.
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I think A Margarito/Trinidad fight would not be a certainty for Tito at Welter.No doubts about Tito being the more accurate but he had rough times when backing straight out,got clipped a good deal and I can not undersell Margaritos sheer volume, angles and mentality breaking up Titos punch rhythm,making for some sure fire heated and vulnerable moments Imo.And you can forget about all of those Campas comparison's
The level of confidence and self belief alone displayed by these two was and is always amazing.Love Tito,always came out smiling ear to ear,yelling out to anyone that was within earshot. Ive got one from the 90's that would collide with Margarito in an absolute car wreck war.....Jose Luis Lopez!!He had a short run but my god,what a iron jaw,awesome body work etc.
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You could make an argument that Jose Luis Lopez was the 90s, Welterweight version of Antonio Margarito. Except Jose Luis Lopez had more power IMO, but i loved his fight with Ike Quartey.I think A Margarito/Trinidad fight would not be a certainty for Tito at Welter.No doubts about Tito being the more accurate but he had rough times when backing straight out,got clipped a good deal and I can not undersell Margaritos sheer volume, angles and mentality breaking up Titos punch rhythm,making for some sure fire heated and vulnerable moments Imo.And you can forget about all of those Campas comparison's
The level of confidence and self belief alone displayed by these two was and is always amazing.Love Tito,always came out smiling ear to ear,yelling out to anyone that was within earshot. Ive got one from the 90's that would collide with Margarito in an absolute car wreck war.....Jose Luis Lopez!!He had a short run but my god,what a iron jaw,awesome body work etc.
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