Interested In Lyle's Opinion of Sarah Palin

[Trainer Monkey]

That certainly was extremely influential, and one of the main reasons for Reagan ascention, but it was certainly not the only reason. Everything I have read and have been taught in school has stated that the economic situation was a primary reason, not the only one, but a very important one. Inflation soared in 1979, he gave his "malaise speech", scandals broke out in the while house. Carter was also unable to firmly establish his human rights policy, nor was he able to strike a deal with the Soviets on arms limitations.

Didnt read it in school,I was around for it
You take out the hostage mess,there is no Reagan Revolution,thats all anyone was talking about in 1979/1980
And the recession started in 1973 under Nixon with the Opec embargo

I can't help when I was born, and no offense intended but I'll take the opinions of experts who have spent their career's studying such things over the words of someone who happen to be "around for it". I don't for a second disagree that the hostage crises was very influential, but its not the sole reason Carter lost.

I'm also well aware of the OPEC situation, it starting under Nixon means nothing because it doesn't negate the fact that the Carter adminstration inherited the problems.

The "experts" have done a magnificent job of re-writing history, sorry it still stands,every reliable poll at the time had Carter winning the election without the Hostage Crisis
November 4 1980 Election
January 20th all Hostages released
January 20th Reagan Inaugural Address

[CFH]

Didnt read it in school,I was around for it
You take out the hostage mess,there is no Reagan Revolution,thats all anyone was talking about in 1979/1980
And the recession started in 1973 under Nixon with the Opec embargo

I can't help when I was born, and no offense intended but I'll take the opinions of experts who have spent their career's studying such things over the words of someone who happen to be "around for it". I don't for a second disagree that the hostage crises was very influential, but its not the sole reason Carter lost.

I'm also well aware of the OPEC situation, it starting under Nixon means nothing because it doesn't negate the fact that the Carter adminstration inherited the problems.

The "experts" have done a magnificent job of re-writing history, sorry it still stands,every reliable poll at the time had Carter winning the election without the Hostage Crisis
November 4 1980 Election
January 20th all Hostages released
January 20th Reagan Inaugural Address

What would a bunch of liberal, left-wing academics have to gain by re-writing history in favor of the Republicans? How exactly did they re-write history? Their interest is in facts.

So all my extremely liberal profs and the writers of the text books are all part of some right-wing conspiracy? ok....

What is a reliable poll? They are inherently flawed and far from reliable.

[Trainer Monkey]

I can't help when I was born, and no offense intended but I'll take the opinions of experts who have spent their career's studying such things over the words of someone who happen to be "around for it". I don't for a second disagree that the hostage crises was very influential, but its not the sole reason Carter lost.

I'm also well aware of the OPEC situation, it starting under Nixon means nothing because it doesn't negate the fact that the Carter adminstration inherited the problems.

The "experts" have done a magnificent job of re-writing history, sorry it still stands,every reliable poll at the time had Carter winning the election without the Hostage Crisis
November 4 1980 Election
January 20th all Hostages released
January 20th Reagan Inaugural Address

What would a bunch of liberal, left-wing academics have to gain by re-writing history in favor of the Republicans? How exactly did they re-write history? Their interest is in facts.

So all my extremely liberal profs and the writers of the text books are all part of some right-wing conspiracy? ok....

What is a reliable poll? They are inherently flawed and far from reliable.

Liberal,son you aint been paying attention,the William Kristols,and Milton Friendmans of the world have been taking over academia
When I was your age Ayn Rand was barely considered toilet paper,now its required reading
Well Michael Harrington is now forgotten,Mother Jones is nothing but a magazine,and Bill Buckley got everything he ever wanted
And the result on every single indicator,is absolute disaster.
No,I refuse to let the repugnants weasel out,saying its bad on both sides,or we didnt really want that.They got everything they ever wanted,have been striving for since 1968 and its a complete mess. Dont give me the defeatist "Oh well theyre all the same" or let them weasel out. You shit on your self your supposed to smell bad.
An old way of dealing with a chicken killing dog,you tie that last chicken around its neck,and let it rot.
That dog wont kill anymore chickens
I smell chicken

[CFH]

The "experts" have done a magnificent job of re-writing history, sorry it still stands,every reliable poll at the time had Carter winning the election without the Hostage Crisis
November 4 1980 Election
January 20th all Hostages released
January 20th Reagan Inaugural Address

What would a bunch of liberal, left-wing academics have to gain by re-writing history in favor of the Republicans? How exactly did they re-write history? Their interest is in facts.

So all my extremely liberal profs and the writers of the text books are all part of some right-wing conspiracy? ok....

What is a reliable poll? They are inherently flawed and far from reliable.

Liberal,son you aint been paying attention,the William Kristols,and Milton Friendmans of the world have been taking over academia
When I was your age Ayn Rand was barely considered toilet paper,now its required reading
Well Michael Harrington is now forgotten,Mother Jones is nothing but a magazine,and Bill Buckley got everything he ever wanted
And the result on every single indicator,is absolute disaster.
No,I refuse to let the repugnants weasel out,saying its bad on both sides,or we didnt really want that.They got everything they ever wanted,have been striving for since 1968 and its a complete mess. Dont give me the defeatist "Oh well theyre all the same" or let them weasel out. You shit on your self your supposed to smell bad.
An old way of dealing with a chicken killing dog,you tie that last chicken around its neck,and let it rot.
That dog wont kill anymore chickens
I smell chicken

What in the hell are you talking about? Seriously.

I've never read Ayn Rand, let alone have it been assigned as required reading. I've never heard or read anything from any of the people you mention.

I live and go to school in Canada, where, particularily in academia, liberalism is the norm. My profs are almost universally self-described left-wing liberal socialists, to the point where I find it bothersome at times. Who are you to tell me, and them, what their views are when you have no idea who they even are?

And it is bad on both sides. It's not defeatist to say that. It's defeatist to say, well, this is what we have and it's the best we can do. The democrats are slightly less fucked than the republicans, it doesn't make them good.

I really don't understand what you're trying to say. You can generalize all you want, but it's not applicable to my situation, which you know nothing about.

[CFH]

As an example, Johnny Got His Gun was required reading in one of my courses, what a piece of right-wing propaganda that is. In the same class, I had to write a paper essentially ripping apart the Reagan administration for my final.

[Trainer Monkey]

As an example, Johnny Got His Gun was required reading in one of my courses, what a piece of right-wing propaganda that is. In the same class, I had to write a paper essentially ripping apart the Reagan administration for my final.

And in the states Slaughterhouse 5 is censored in most school districts
Welcome to the wacky world we call Americaland

[JT Rock]

Im sorry to say the only intelligent thing I have to say about all of this, is I would bang the ever living daylights out of Sara Palin..

Hope that helped

[Trainer Monkey]

What would a bunch of liberal, left-wing academics have to gain by re-writing history in favor of the Republicans? How exactly did they re-write history? Their interest is in facts.

So all my extremely liberal profs and the writers of the text books are all part of some right-wing conspiracy? ok....

What is a reliable poll? They are inherently flawed and far from reliable.

Liberal,son you aint been paying attention,the William Kristols,and Milton Friendmans of the world have been taking over academia
When I was your age Ayn Rand was barely considered toilet paper,now its required reading
Well Michael Harrington is now forgotten,Mother Jones is nothing but a magazine,and Bill Buckley got everything he ever wanted
And the result on every single indicator,is absolute disaster.
No,I refuse to let the repugnants weasel out,saying its bad on both sides,or we didnt really want that.They got everything they ever wanted,have been striving for since 1968 and its a complete mess. Dont give me the defeatist "Oh well theyre all the same" or let them weasel out. You shit on your self your supposed to smell bad.
An old way of dealing with a chicken killing dog,you tie that last chicken around its neck,and let it rot.
That dog wont kill anymore chickens
I smell chicken

What in the hell are you talking about? Seriously.

I've never read Ayn Rand, let alone have it been assigned as required reading. I've never heard or read anything from any of the people you mention.

I live and go to school in Canada, where, particularily in academia, liberalism is the norm. My profs are almost universally self-described left-wing liberal socialists, to the point where I find it bothersome at times. Who are you to tell me, and them, what their views are when you have no idea who they even are?

And it is bad on both sides. It's not defeatist to say that. It's defeatist to say, well, this is what we have and it's the best we can do. The democrats are slightly less fucked than the republicans, it doesn't make them good.

I really don't understand what you're trying to say. You can generalize all you want, but it's not applicable to my situation, which you know nothing about.

Son you dont get it,as Ameica goes,so goeth the world
Lets look at some of our Academic shining lights,
Milton Friedman,resurrected the often failed idea of lazziez faire economics,often quoted as the source for "trickle down economic theory"
Irving Kristol,founder of the Neo-conservative movement,and 1992 recipient of the Medal Of Freedom from Bush 1
William Kristol founder of the ultra right Weekly Standard
Lets look at popular American Political commentators
Rush Limbaugh,often lies,failed sports commentator for the Kansas City Royals
Sean Hannity-Lies even more often,when he isnt yelling at people,former steel worker
Bill Orielly-Former tabloid reporter,he lies pretty often too
Michael Savage-Former herbalist
Michelle Malkin-Why is she famous again?
Ann Coulter-McCarthy Blacklist apologist
Dick Morris-Political advisor turned prostitute toe licker
William Bennet-Former drug Czar with a two pack a day habit,his gambling habit,a little more so
Andrea Peyser-Has one issue,"I hate losing my parking space to UN diplomats"
Neil Boortz-Speech writer for staunch segregationist Lestor Maddox

Man what a collection of great thought,this country listens to every day of its life

[CFH]

Liberal,son you aint been paying attention,the William Kristols,and Milton Friendmans of the world have been taking over academia
When I was your age Ayn Rand was barely considered toilet paper,now its required reading
Well Michael Harrington is now forgotten,Mother Jones is nothing but a magazine,and Bill Buckley got everything he ever wanted
And the result on every single indicator,is absolute disaster.
No,I refuse to let the repugnants weasel out,saying its bad on both sides,or we didnt really want that.They got everything they ever wanted,have been striving for since 1968 and its a complete mess. Dont give me the defeatist "Oh well theyre all the same" or let them weasel out. You shit on your self your supposed to smell bad.
An old way of dealing with a chicken killing dog,you tie that last chicken around its neck,and let it rot.
That dog wont kill anymore chickens
I smell chicken

What in the hell are you talking about? Seriously.

I've never read Ayn Rand, let alone have it been assigned as required reading. I've never heard or read anything from any of the people you mention.

I live and go to school in Canada, where, particularily in academia, liberalism is the norm. My profs are almost universally self-described left-wing liberal socialists, to the point where I find it bothersome at times. Who are you to tell me, and them, what their views are when you have no idea who they even are?

And it is bad on both sides. It's not defeatist to say that. It's defeatist to say, well, this is what we have and it's the best we can do. The democrats are slightly less fucked than the republicans, it doesn't make them good.

I really don't understand what you're trying to say. You can generalize all you want, but it's not applicable to my situation, which you know nothing about.

Son you dont get it,as Ameica goes,so goeth the world
Lets look at some of our Academic shining lights,
Milton Friedman,resurrected the often failed idea of lazziez faire economics,often quoted as the source for "trickle down economic theory"
Irving Kristol,founder of the Neo-conservative movement,and 1992 recipient of the Medal Of Freedom from Bush 1
William Kristol founder of the ultra right Weekly Standard
Lets look at popular American Political commentators
Rush Limbaugh,often lies,failed sports commentator for the Kansas City Royals
Sean Hannity-Lies even more often,when he isnt yelling at people,former steel worker
Bill Orielly-Former tabloid reporter,he lies pretty often too
Michael Savage-Former herbalist
Michelle Malkin-Why is she famous again?
Ann Coulter-McCarthy Blacklist apologist
Dick Morris-Political advisor turned prostitute toe licker
William Bennet-Former drug Czar with a two pack a day habit,his gambling habit,a little more so
Andrea Peyser-Has one issue,"I hate losing my parking space to UN diplomats"
Neil Boortz-Speech writer for staunch segregationist Lestor Maddox

Man what a collection of great thought,this country listens to every day of its life

No, you quite obviously don't get it. In regards to what we are discussing - remember you were telling me how the neo-cons had rewritten history and somehow corrupted my education - I don't give a flying fuck what the supposed academic situation in the States is. It is in no way applicable to the prevailing notions here and is irrelevant to the conversation. Just because I'm studying American history does not mean that the books we use were even written by Americans (though in some cases they are, obviously). It has been demonstrated to me time and again that MY professors, while admitting their biases, are able to present as objective a position as possible.

You were trying to tell me that these people you mention are somehow rewriting history and that my education has been corrupted by it. I told you that I have never been assigned anything by those people, that opinions like theirs are obviously considered (as should ALL opinions) in relevant situations, but by no means are they presented as truthful or as anything more than what they are: biased, partisan, right-wing objects of scorn who are blatantly pushing agendas. I can assure you that liberalism and left-wing ideals are alive and well in the halls of Canadian universities, I know, I am heading up to one for a history class in about an hour.

But please, feel free to tell me more about the perspectives of the people who are my professors, despite the facts that I am the one actually listening to their words and opinions and that you have never met them, have no idea who they are, and are making baseless assumptions based on the situation in the States, which is somehow supposed to have injected some kind of bias/agenda into my education.

The people you named are all influential idiots. So what? It has little or no bearing on the positions of the people who's work I have been assigned to study. Just because your country listens to them does not mean many other people do not view them with anything more the derision.

[Trainer Monkey]

What in the hell are you talking about? Seriously.

I've never read Ayn Rand, let alone have it been assigned as required reading. I've never heard or read anything from any of the people you mention.

I live and go to school in Canada, where, particularily in academia, liberalism is the norm. My profs are almost universally self-described left-wing liberal socialists, to the point where I find it bothersome at times. Who are you to tell me, and them, what their views are when you have no idea who they even are?

And it is bad on both sides. It's not defeatist to say that. It's defeatist to say, well, this is what we have and it's the best we can do. The democrats are slightly less fucked than the republicans, it doesn't make them good.

I really don't understand what you're trying to say. You can generalize all you want, but it's not applicable to my situation, which you know nothing about.

Son you dont get it,as Ameica goes,so goeth the world
Lets look at some of our Academic shining lights,
Milton Friedman,resurrected the often failed idea of lazziez faire economics,often quoted as the source for "trickle down economic theory"
Irving Kristol,founder of the Neo-conservative movement,and 1992 recipient of the Medal Of Freedom from Bush 1
William Kristol founder of the ultra right Weekly Standard
Lets look at popular American Political commentators
Rush Limbaugh,often lies,failed sports commentator for the Kansas City Royals
Sean Hannity-Lies even more often,when he isnt yelling at people,former steel worker
Bill Orielly-Former tabloid reporter,he lies pretty often too
Michael Savage-Former herbalist
Michelle Malkin-Why is she famous again?
Ann Coulter-McCarthy Blacklist apologist
Dick Morris-Political advisor turned prostitute toe licker
William Bennet-Former drug Czar with a two pack a day habit,his gambling habit,a little more so
Andrea Peyser-Has one issue,"I hate losing my parking space to UN diplomats"
Neil Boortz-Speech writer for staunch segregationist Lestor Maddox

Man what a collection of great thought,this country listens to every day of its life

No, you quite obviously don't get it. In regards to what we are discussing - remember you were telling me how the neo-cons had rewritten history and somehow corrupted my education - I don't give a flying fuck what the supposed academic situation in the States is. It is in no way applicable to the prevailing notions here and is irrelevant to the conversation. Just because I'm studying American history does not mean that the books we use were even written by Americans (though in some cases they are, obviously). It has been demonstrated to me time and again that MY professors, while admitting their biases, are able to present as objective a position as possible.

You were trying to tell me that these people you mention are somehow rewriting history and that my education has been corrupted by it. I told you that I have never been assigned anything by those people, that opinions like theirs are obviously considered (as should ALL opinions) in relevant situations, but by no means are they presented as truthful or as anything more than what they are: biased, partisan, right-wing objects of scorn who are blatantly pushing agendas. I can assure you that liberalism and left-wing ideals are alive and well in the halls of Canadian universities, I know, I am heading up to one for a history class in about an hour.

But please, feel free to tell me more about the perspectives of the people who are my professors, despite the facts that I am the one actually listening to their words and opinions and that you have never met them, have no idea who they are, and are making baseless assumptions based on the situation in the States, which is somehow supposed to have injected some kind of bias/agenda into my education.

The people you named are all influential idiots. So what? It has little or no bearing on the positions of the people who's work I have been assigned to study. Just because your country listens to them does not mean many other people do not view them with anything more the derision.

Hate to break it to you,yeah,your text books are written by Americans,most of the major text book firms in the western hemisphere are from Dallas Texas
And as they say it is,thus it is dutifully repeated in other textbooks
Isnt it fun,how idiots with large ammounts of money can just change reality if it isnt convienient, and doesnt tell them what they allready know
Hey you probably think of Fredrick Douglas(if you do think of Fredrick Douglas at all,not a mean thing,but how many people think of Fredrick Douglas?) as a staunch unionist
He was also one of the most vehement Pro-Slavery Presidents the nation ever had,but you wouldnt know that if you read a history book printed later then 1911.
It got scrubbed out