kelly pavlik against past middle and light heavyweights

[Markusdarkus]

Can you elaborate further on that controversial statement?

Watching the two (prime4prime) i think McCallum would have taken Hagler. Hagler and Hearns ducked Mike, both have said so.

McCallum against (Real 160lb fighters) Watson, Graham, Collins, Jackson) was truely great. He also beat a great 147lb fighter in better Fashion than Hagler did in Don Curry.

Hagler is top 3 all time fav fighters i just think mid 80s at 160 Mike would have beat him on points.

Mike McCallum one of the greatest under-rated fighters ever. The body snatcher was the man.

I don't dispute that McCallum was a great fighter, but Hagler is an ATG.

Regardless of weight, Hagler's best wins are head and shoulders above those of McCallum.

McCullum is an ATG.

Are Haglers really better? MCCullum best 6 wins:

1. James Toney (prime)
2. Don Curry
3. Steve Collins
4. Michael Watson (Who schooled Been and Eubank)
5. Julian Jackson (In 2, first Jackson loss)
6. Herol Graham


McCallum was ducked by all the greats, why? because he was a great.

Listen a bigger Hagler fan you wont find, i still think McCallum (prime) was better all round and takes a UD.

[ICB]

Watching the two (prime4prime) i think McCallum would have taken Hagler. Hagler and Hearns ducked Mike, both have said so.

McCallum against (Real 160lb fighters) Watson, Graham, Collins, Jackson) was truely great. He also beat a great 147lb fighter in better Fashion than Hagler did in Don Curry.

Hagler is top 3 all time fav fighters i just think mid 80s at 160 Mike would have beat him on points.

Mike McCallum one of the greatest under-rated fighters ever. The body snatcher was the man.

I don't dispute that McCallum was a great fighter, but Hagler is an ATG.

Regardless of weight, Hagler's best wins are head and shoulders above those of McCallum.

McCullum is an ATG.

Are Haglers really better? MCCullum best 6 wins:

1. James Toney (prime)
2. Don Curry
3. Steve Collins
4. Michael Watson (Who schooled Been and Eubank)
5. Julian Jackson (In 2 first Jabkson loss)
6. Herol Graham

I agree with you Marvin Hagler's resume isn't that much better, and infact you should put Sumbu Kalambay on Mike McCallum's list. He was a terrific fighter who beat Herol Graham x2, Iran Barkley, Doug DeWitt, Robbie Simms, Steve Collins.

[Markusdarkus]

I don't dispute that McCallum was a great fighter, but Hagler is an ATG.

Regardless of weight, Hagler's best wins are head and shoulders above those of McCallum.

McCullum is an ATG.

Are Haglers really better? MCCullum best 6 wins:

1. James Toney (prime)
2. Don Curry
3. Steve Collins
4. Michael Watson (Who schooled Been and Eubank)
5. Julian Jackson (In 2 first Jabkson loss)
6. Herol Graham

I agree with you Marvin Hagler's resume isn't that much better, and infact you should put Sumbu Kalambay on Mike McCallum's list. He was a terrific fighter who beat Herol Graham x2, Iran Barkley, Doug DeWitt, Robbie Simms, Steve Collins.

Im sick of the way McCallum gets knocked because he didnt get to beat up on 147lb`rs Hearns and Leonard.

Past it he beat up prime James Toney he beat Herol Graham, Jackson, Watson, Steve Collins, Kalambay. When you look at it a guy that was a natural LMW he is great.

McCallum mid 80s was more avoided than any fighter in History. Thats why he fought Herol Graham another fighter openly ducked by Hearns.

[CFH]

Watching the two (prime4prime) i think McCallum would have taken Hagler. Hagler and Hearns ducked Mike, both have said so.

McCallum against (Real 160lb fighters) Watson, Graham, Collins, Jackson) was truely great. He also beat a great 147lb fighter in better Fashion than Hagler did in Don Curry.

Hagler is top 3 all time fav fighters i just think mid 80s at 160 Mike would have beat him on points.

Mike McCallum one of the greatest under-rated fighters ever. The body snatcher was the man.

I don't dispute that McCallum was a great fighter, but Hagler is an ATG.

Regardless of weight, Hagler's best wins are head and shoulders above those of McCallum.

McCullum is an ATG.

Are Haglers really better? MCCullum best 6 wins:

1. James Toney (prime)
2. Don Curry
3. Steve Collins
4. Michael Watson (Who schooled Been and Eubank)
5. Julian Jackson (In 2, first Jackson loss)
6. Herol Graham


McCallum was ducked by all the greats, why? because he was a great.

Listen a bigger Hagler fan you wont find, i still think McCallum (prime) was better all round and takes a UD.

Fair enough, hard to argue with most of that. I feel Hagler's wins are better, but I concede that you can make a case for McCallum.

[Markusdarkus]

I don't dispute that McCallum was a great fighter, but Hagler is an ATG.

Regardless of weight, Hagler's best wins are head and shoulders above those of McCallum.

McCullum is an ATG.

Are Haglers really better? MCCullum best 6 wins:

1. James Toney (prime)
2. Don Curry
3. Steve Collins
4. Michael Watson (Who schooled Been and Eubank)
5. Julian Jackson (In 2, first Jackson loss)
6. Herol Graham


McCallum was ducked by all the greats, why? because he was a great.

Listen a bigger Hagler fan you wont find, i still think McCallum (prime) was better all round and takes a UD.

Fair enough, hard to argue with most of that. I feel Hagler's wins are better, but I concede that you can make a case for McCallum.

Both ATG i just feel had Mike fought Tommy and Ray he would get his dues.

Us real fans know how great Mike was in every department

[Markusdarkus]

33yo McCallum vs Watson who in prior fight destroyed Nigel Benn:


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy5NiBY1tFM


Total war but Mike pulled through.

[Mr140]

Well all i got to say is this i feel Sugar Ray Leonard was a better fighter then the body snatch was i give him a chance to knock Hearns out. But i think Sugar Ray Leonard would out box him if he was fighting prime for prime SRL takes it hands down for me feel he was a better boxer.

[Markusdarkus]

Well all i got to say is this i feel Sugar Ray Leonard was a better fighter then the body snatch was i give him a chance to knock Hearns out. But i think Sugar Ray Leonard would out box him if he was fighting prime for prime SRL takes it hands down for me feel he was a better boxer.

On what basis?

P4P its 50-50 at 154 or 160 your not saying he beats Mike?

[Mr140]

I said pound for pound i say the version Sugar Ray Leonard at the weight of 147 could beat the version of body snatch at 154. Kinda silly to make the fight anyhow both were prime at different weights. Also if Mike did not lose to Kalambay he would of had a fight with Duran or Hearns.

[CFH]

McCullum is an ATG.

Are Haglers really better? MCCullum best 6 wins:

1. James Toney (prime)
2. Don Curry
3. Steve Collins
4. Michael Watson (Who schooled Been and Eubank)
5. Julian Jackson (In 2, first Jackson loss)
6. Herol Graham


McCallum was ducked by all the greats, why? because he was a great.

Listen a bigger Hagler fan you wont find, i still think McCallum (prime) was better all round and takes a UD.

Fair enough, hard to argue with most of that. I feel Hagler's wins are better, but I concede that you can make a case for McCallum.

Both ATG i just feel had Mike fought Tommy and Ray he would get his dues.

Us real fans know how great Mike was in every department

If he had fought and beat Hearns and Leonard he would unquestionably be better than Hagler and nearly any other fighter I can think of.