What is with this site and Kelly Pavlik

[kingfrnk]

Pavlik will always be a very good fighter, but even looking back at the legendary Hagler, if he didn't have his chin he would have a been a very good fighter, but he would have been knocked out by the first right hand Hearns landed on him, and we wouldn't consider him half as good as we do now. Sure he had a solid defense, good power, accuracy, timing, etc, but that chin seperated him from all the other fighter with those other qualities. Hell it even seperates Margarito from far better technical fighters than him because he doens't have to worry about whats hitting him. What I am saying is that it will take a special fighter to beat Pavlik, but Dawson, Kessler are clearly special fighters or will be in Chad's case. I am not even comparing these two because I don't think Chad is better then Pavlik at this moment, but speed, like a good chin, overcomes many obstacles.

kessler cant beat kelly at the moment. especially after the bhop fight kelly will have way more ring experience than kessler.

[Taeth]

Pavlik will always be a very good fighter, but even looking back at the legendary Hagler, if he didn't have his chin he would have a been a very good fighter, but he would have been knocked out by the first right hand Hearns landed on him, and we wouldn't consider him half as good as we do now. Sure he had a solid defense, good power, accuracy, timing, etc, but that chin seperated him from all the other fighter with those other qualities. Hell it even seperates Margarito from far better technical fighters than him because he doens't have to worry about whats hitting him. What I am saying is that it will take a special fighter to beat Pavlik, but Dawson, Kessler are clearly special fighters or will be in Chad's case. I am not even comparing these two because I don't think Chad is better then Pavlik at this moment, but speed, like a good chin, overcomes many obstacles.

kessler cant beat kelly at the moment. especially after the bhop fight kelly will have way more ring experience than kessler.

No he won't Pavlik will have foughten Taylor and Hopkins, when you add that to 30 some no hopers it isn't as much experience as all the good fighers Kessler beat when he was on top of the 168 division for several years, When it comes to Taylor I haven't seen another elite level fighter as easy to hit going backwards, or as off balance as him since Naseem Hamed(in terms of balance at least). Kessler is a great fighter, sure on paper he lost by a large margin against Calzaghe, but people forget a lot of those rounds that Calzaghe won were close rounds that involved Kessler scoring big right hands, but Calzaghe has a very good chin, and he has good speed which proved the most difficult for Kessler.

Kessler is an amazing fighter, he has speed power, determination, toughness, he can do anyhting in the ring. People forget he didn't spar for several weeks before he faced Calzaghe, and that would be an obvious disadvantage in terms of stamina, but Kessler would be able to PAvlik a lot easier, and because Pavlik is orthodox so that jab would be a factor when he wasn't able to really use it against Calzaghe, and that changes the entire dynamic of this fight. Taylor also has a great jab, but he doesn't throw combinations well, and he would always be off balance in countering situations where Kessler would be landing precise powerful punches.

[kingfrnk]

Pavlik will always be a very good fighter, but even looking back at the legendary Hagler, if he didn't have his chin he would have a been a very good fighter, but he would have been knocked out by the first right hand Hearns landed on him, and we wouldn't consider him half as good as we do now. Sure he had a solid defense, good power, accuracy, timing, etc, but that chin seperated him from all the other fighter with those other qualities. Hell it even seperates Margarito from far better technical fighters than him because he doens't have to worry about whats hitting him. What I am saying is that it will take a special fighter to beat Pavlik, but Dawson, Kessler are clearly special fighters or will be in Chad's case. I am not even comparing these two because I don't think Chad is better then Pavlik at this moment, but speed, like a good chin, overcomes many obstacles.

kessler cant beat kelly at the moment. especially after the bhop fight kelly will have way more ring experience than kessler.

No he won't Pavlik will have foughten Taylor and Hopkins, when you add that to 30 some no hopers it isn't as much experience as all the good fighers Kessler beat when he was on top of the 168 division for several years, When it comes to Taylor I haven't seen another elite level fighter as easy to hit going backwards, or as off balance as him since Naseem Hamed(in terms of balance at least). Kessler is a great fighter, sure on paper he lost by a large margin against Calzaghe, but people forget a lot of those rounds that Calzaghe won were close rounds that involved Kessler scoring big right hands, but Calzaghe has a very good chin, and he has good speed which proved the most difficult for Kessler.

Kessler is an amazing fighter, he has speed power, determination, toughness, he can do anyhting in the ring. People forget he didn't spar for several weeks before he faced Calzaghe, and that would be an obvious disadvantage in terms of stamina, but Kessler would be able to PAvlik a lot easier, and because Pavlik is orthodox so that jab would be a factor when he wasn't able to really use it against Calzaghe, and that changes the entire dynamic of this fight. Taylor also has a great jab, but he doesn't throw combinations well, and he would always be off balance in countering situations where Kessler would be landing precise powerful punches.

oh and kelly doesnt shoe any of that. kelly isnt that damn slow now and if he was the why does he have so many kos. i agree kessler is a good fighter, but im afraid im gonna need to see more than the calzaghe fight to be really impressed like you so i can be all over his sack like you.

[Taeth]

kessler cant beat kelly at the moment. especially after the bhop fight kelly will have way more ring experience than kessler.

No he won't Pavlik will have foughten Taylor and Hopkins, when you add that to 30 some no hopers it isn't as much experience as all the good fighers Kessler beat when he was on top of the 168 division for several years, When it comes to Taylor I haven't seen another elite level fighter as easy to hit going backwards, or as off balance as him since Naseem Hamed(in terms of balance at least). Kessler is a great fighter, sure on paper he lost by a large margin against Calzaghe, but people forget a lot of those rounds that Calzaghe won were close rounds that involved Kessler scoring big right hands, but Calzaghe has a very good chin, and he has good speed which proved the most difficult for Kessler.

Kessler is an amazing fighter, he has speed power, determination, toughness, he can do anyhting in the ring. People forget he didn't spar for several weeks before he faced Calzaghe, and that would be an obvious disadvantage in terms of stamina, but Kessler would be able to PAvlik a lot easier, and because Pavlik is orthodox so that jab would be a factor when he wasn't able to really use it against Calzaghe, and that changes the entire dynamic of this fight. Taylor also has a great jab, but he doesn't throw combinations well, and he would always be off balance in countering situations where Kessler would be landing precise powerful punches.

oh and kelly doesnt shoe any of that. kelly isnt that damn slow now and if he was the why does he have so many kos. i agree kessler is a good fighter, but im afraid im gonna need to see more than the calzaghe fight to be really impressed like you so i can be all over his sack like you.

If you haven't seen more than just his fight against Calzaghe then you shouldn't even be arguing with me because you know nothing about Kessler. Watch him against Andrade, against Mundine, against Lucas... Kessler is absolutely amazing, and he will be one of the best fighters in the world again, as is Pavlik, but once against its a bad matchup for Pavlik. Punchers without iron clad chins have difficulties with coutner punchers that carry some power.

[kingfrnk]

No he won't Pavlik will have foughten Taylor and Hopkins, when you add that to 30 some no hopers it isn't as much experience as all the good fighers Kessler beat when he was on top of the 168 division for several years, When it comes to Taylor I haven't seen another elite level fighter as easy to hit going backwards, or as off balance as him since Naseem Hamed(in terms of balance at least). Kessler is a great fighter, sure on paper he lost by a large margin against Calzaghe, but people forget a lot of those rounds that Calzaghe won were close rounds that involved Kessler scoring big right hands, but Calzaghe has a very good chin, and he has good speed which proved the most difficult for Kessler.

Kessler is an amazing fighter, he has speed power, determination, toughness, he can do anyhting in the ring. People forget he didn't spar for several weeks before he faced Calzaghe, and that would be an obvious disadvantage in terms of stamina, but Kessler would be able to PAvlik a lot easier, and because Pavlik is orthodox so that jab would be a factor when he wasn't able to really use it against Calzaghe, and that changes the entire dynamic of this fight. Taylor also has a great jab, but he doesn't throw combinations well, and he would always be off balance in countering situations where Kessler would be landing precise powerful punches.

oh and kelly doesnt shoe any of that. kelly isnt that damn slow now and if he was the why does he have so many kos. i agree kessler is a good fighter, but im afraid im gonna need to see more than the calzaghe fight to be really impressed like you so i can be all over his sack like you.

If you haven't seen more than just his fight against Calzaghe then you shouldn't even be arguing with me because you know nothing about Kessler. Watch him against Andrade, against Mundine, against Lucas... Kessler is absolutely amazing, and he will be one of the best fighters in the world again, as is Pavlik, but once against its a bad matchup for Pavlik. Punchers without iron clad chins have difficulties with coutner punchers that carry some power.

well i am gonna argue with u, and u know why cause i am the SWAG KING beeatch. and like amat said kelly is fighting one of the biggest names in boxing today and kessler is fighting who?? oh yeah u dont even know his name.LOL