Who beats Chad Dawson?

[kingfrnk]

I am not saying Chad is the best fighter in the world, I agree that I think he is a weak division hence the reason why I don't think anyone would beat him, this isn't the same scenario as why I don't think any welterweight would be Floyd Mayweather, this is Chad is a very good fighter, but in a situation where there are very many fighters of top caliber left.

I don't know what you are trying to prove here about Pavlik, Calzaghe was way faster then Pavlik and a way better boxer, if he, Kelly, tried to box with Kessler he would be picked apart, and because of his lack of speed he wouldn't be able to land anything, if he tried to push Kessler back, he would eat heavy jabs and counters all night long. Pavlik's chin is as questionable as Dawson's who has been dropped, but only really hurt by Glen Johnson 15 pounds north of the middleweight division. Once again just like in the Adamek fight Dawson would overwhelm Pavlik with speed, he wear Pavlik down with his body attack.

Also Dawson's performance against Tarver was as impressive as Bernard's, he won as many rounds, he put on a better offensive show, but not quite as impressive of a defensive show.

It would be like Barrera or JMM against Juarez who is a skilled fighter coming forwad, but when you face somebody with movement and great technique everything falls to shit unless you have speed or a more physical style.

The only credible opponent Pavlik has beaten impressively is Taylor, and thats becuase Taylor exhausted himself when he had Pavlik badly compromised. Their second fight was pretty even, I thought Bernard beat Taylor more impressive in their first fight, I thought Winky beat Taylor by a larger margin in their fight. Taylor was a the perfect opponent for PAvlik, a guy without a good snap in his punches, a guy who had absolutely horrible defensive skills going backwards.

taeth u are stupid if u think bernard lost to taylor the first time was better than kellys victory over taylor the second time. idiot

Your the idiot, Hopkins was coutnering effectively, he hurt Taylor more near the end then Kelly ever did in their second fight. Taylor wasn't able to use the jab, Bernard put on a defensive show along with showcasing the right hand. Pavlik got hit a lot, he landed alot, but I liked what Hopkins did more. All in all they both won close fights IMO against Taylor, but Cory Spinks and Winky Wright beat Taylor emphatically IMO.

your the dumbass if u think hopkins only fighting 4-5 rounds was better than kelly fighting all 12 rounds in the rematch. i think u only watch one fighter instead of both when u watch fights.

[Kev]

I am not saying Chad is the best fighter in the world, I agree that I think he is a weak division hence the reason why I don't think anyone would beat him, this isn't the same scenario as why I don't think any welterweight would be Floyd Mayweather, this is Chad is a very good fighter, but in a situation where there are very many fighters of top caliber left.

I don't know what you are trying to prove here about Pavlik, Calzaghe was way faster then Pavlik and a way better boxer, if he, Kelly, tried to box with Kessler he would be picked apart, and because of his lack of speed he wouldn't be able to land anything, if he tried to push Kessler back, he would eat heavy jabs and counters all night long. Pavlik's chin is as questionable as Dawson's who has been dropped, but only really hurt by Glen Johnson 15 pounds north of the middleweight division. Once again just like in the Adamek fight Dawson would overwhelm Pavlik with speed, he wear Pavlik down with his body attack.

Also Dawson's performance against Tarver was as impressive as Bernard's, he won as many rounds, he put on a better offensive show, but not quite as impressive of a defensive show.

It would be like Barrera or JMM against Juarez who is a skilled fighter coming forwad, but when you face somebody with movement and great technique everything falls to shit unless you have speed or a more physical style.

The only credible opponent Pavlik has beaten impressively is Taylor, and thats becuase Taylor exhausted himself when he had Pavlik badly compromised. Their second fight was pretty even, I thought Bernard beat Taylor more impressive in their first fight, I thought Winky beat Taylor by a larger margin in their fight. Taylor was a the perfect opponent for PAvlik, a guy without a good snap in his punches, a guy who had absolutely horrible defensive skills going backwards.

taeth u are stupid if u think bernard lost to taylor the first time was better than kellys victory over taylor the second time. idiot

Your the idiot, Hopkins was coutnering effectively, he hurt Taylor more near the end then Kelly ever did in their second fight. Taylor wasn't able to use the jab, Bernard put on a defensive show along with showcasing the right hand. Pavlik got hit a lot, he landed alot, but I liked what Hopkins did more. All in all they both won close fights IMO against Taylor, but Cory Spinks and Winky Wright beat Taylor emphatically IMO.

Yeah he really laid a smackdown on him

You're postings and fight analysis are truly awful Taeth, truly truly awful

[intoccabile]

^^^Rewatch the spinks fight, imo.

He beat Taylor decisvely. It was the closest thing to a clinic as you can get and judges just continued to rob Cory of rounds.

[skel1983]

i think when kelly finishes his business at MW he might fight chad which will be a great fight for both. and i dont care who wins both are my favorite fighter at the moment

I think Dawson has a quite easy time with Pavlik at 175, Pavlik loses all his advantages against Dawson. Easy ud for BCD.

nothing is easy with kelly in the ring u ass. he is young and strong just like chad.

I think you should get ur dick out of Pavliks arse, mate please dont come back with insults, when people have an opinion, shows how immature you are.

My argument was Dawsom takes away all Pavliks advantages he has at middleweight, his reach his power. Pavlik walks around at around 175, if this fight happened Dawson would be to quick to slick for Pavlik. Big ud.

[Rantcatrat]

I think Dawson has a quite easy time with Pavlik at 175, Pavlik loses all his advantages against Dawson. Easy ud for BCD.

nothing is easy with kelly in the ring u ass. he is young and strong just like chad.

I think you should get ur dick out of Pavliks arse, mate please dont come back with insults, when people have an opinion, shows how immature you are.

My argument was Dawsom takes away all Pavliks advantages he has at middleweight, his reach his power. Pavlik walks around at around 175, if this fight happened Dawson would be to quick to slick for Pavlik. Big ud.

I agree that BCD would school Pavlik, but the discussion is a moot. BCD is a lhw and Pavlik is a mw. So, WHO CARES?

One quick question, what is the problem Brits have with Pavlik? I may be wrong but it appears a lot of Brits dislike him.

[skel1983]

nothing is easy with kelly in the ring u ass. he is young and strong just like chad.

I think you should get ur dick out of Pavliks arse, mate please dont come back with insults, when people have an opinion, shows how immature you are.

My argument was Dawsom takes away all Pavliks advantages he has at middleweight, his reach his power. Pavlik walks around at around 175, if this fight happened Dawson would be to quick to slick for Pavlik. Big ud.

I agree that BCD would school Pavlik, but the discussion is a moot. BCD is a lhw and Pavlik is a mw. So, WHO CARES?

One quick question, what is the problem Brits have with Pavlik? I may be wrong but it appears a lot of Brits dislike him.

I dont dislike him at all, hes a nice guy great entertaining fighter, but i suppose the way all the americans say how over rated Calzaghe is, its sort of the same for us, well me anyway, i still think Pavlik has alot to prove i just think he is not as good as people seem to think he is.

You say Pavlik is a middleweight, well not entirely true at this moment in time hes fighting at Light Heavyweight on saturday, so i guess it is quite relevent to discuss a fight between Dawson and Pavlik wouldnt yopu agree? The question was who would beat Dawson someone said Pavlik i gave my opinion. He wouldnt.

[ICB]

taeth u are stupid if u think bernard lost to taylor the first time was better than kellys victory over taylor the second time. idiot

Your the idiot, Hopkins was coutnering effectively, he hurt Taylor more near the end then Kelly ever did in their second fight. Taylor wasn't able to use the jab, Bernard put on a defensive show along with showcasing the right hand. Pavlik got hit a lot, he landed alot, but I liked what Hopkins did more. All in all they both won close fights IMO against Taylor, but Cory Spinks and Winky Wright beat Taylor emphatically IMO.

Yeah he really laid a smackdown on him

You're postings and fight analysis are truly awful Taeth, truly truly awful

Bernard Hopkins done nothing in the first 8 rounds i think his average punch output. For the first 8 rounds was only 14 punches thrown a round, Jermain Taylor got tired because he was doing all the work.

And i think Jermain Taylor fought a much better fight against Kelly Pavlik, i thought he looked sharp and quick. But the body shot from Kelly Pavlik in the 11th turned the fight around, and it was all Kelly Pavlik from there.

Taeth i have no idea how you think Bernard Hopkins done more damage on Taylor or won more convincingly, in there first fight than Kelly Pavlik did against Jermain Taylor in there rematch. First off Bernard Hopkins only landed about 90+ punches on Jermain Taylor, in the entire fight.

And most of those punches came in the last 3 or 4 rounds when Bernard Hopkins, actually decided to go to work. Where as Kelly Pavlik landed 260+ punches. And most of those punches were solid jabs and right hands, and they were consistent throughout the fight.

Im sure if you asked Jermain Taylor who hurt him more or who beat him more convincingly. Im sure he would even admit Kelly Pavlik did, Bernard Hopkins at the most only won 2 out of the first 9 rounds against Jermain Taylor because he done virtually nothing, where as Kelly Pavlik was even with Jermain Taylor all the way, until he pulled it out in the championship rounds winning 7-5.

[OumaFan]

I like Dawson, very talented, seems to have a fighters mentality.

Still strikes me as a guy who could have a come out of nowhere type knockout happen to him though. Maybe I'll stop thinking that after a while but I still get that sense about him.

BTW this "you're the idiot, no you're the idiot" posting is just superb.

[Wayne]

I like Dawson, very talented, seems to have a fighters mentality.

Still strikes me as a guy who could have a come out of nowhere type knockout happen to him though. Maybe I'll stop thinking that after a while but I still get that sense about him.

BTW this "you're the idiot, no you're the idiot" posting is just superb.

I agree that Dawson's chin seems fallible. But what he's unable to recover immediately he covers with being able to slink away from an opponent until he gets the rest of his marbles back.

[The Fightfan]

If Hopkin's somehow get's out of the fight with Pavlik ok. He will probably challenge Dawson. NOt really but it always seems that old man get's all the young bucs. From the Tarver fight it seems Dawson is the real deal I don't really think he will be tested unless he moves up to Cruiserweight and tries to get a rematch with Adamek. That would be a worthy rematch being as Adamek seems to be on a roll again.

[awdleyfuturehalloffamer]

It's either my eyes or Dawson has some serious speedy combinations.

[Mar]

.....i don't know but it sure as hell ain't tarver, we wore out the tape watching that shit over and over this weekend, i cried a whole lot less when the broncos lost also.....thanks chad !!!!!

[Hume]

pavlik would beat chad with easy as it stands today and for all the reasons already mentioned. pavlik will win vs b-hop, anyone trying to give the impression it will be close, is lying. if b-hop were 5 years younger it would be a close affair, but he's not and it won't.

[Kev]

I like Dawson, very talented, seems to have a fighters mentality.

Still strikes me as a guy who could have a come out of nowhere type knockout happen to him though. Maybe I'll stop thinking that after a while but I still get that sense about him.

BTW this "you're the idiot, no you're the idiot" posting is just superb.

It irks me every time I see your name up in blue.

You're not a mod calibre type of poster, you're an Amat or a boozeboxer type.

I should have been the mod, I'm witty, pretty, and self important.

I think I was discriminated against on account of my paleness........

[Taeth]

taeth u are stupid if u think bernard lost to taylor the first time was better than kellys victory over taylor the second time. idiot

Your the idiot, Hopkins was coutnering effectively, he hurt Taylor more near the end then Kelly ever did in their second fight. Taylor wasn't able to use the jab, Bernard put on a defensive show along with showcasing the right hand. Pavlik got hit a lot, he landed alot, but I liked what Hopkins did more. All in all they both won close fights IMO against Taylor, but Cory Spinks and Winky Wright beat Taylor emphatically IMO.

Yeah he really laid a smackdown on him

You're postings and fight analysis are truly awful Taeth, truly truly awful

My fight analysis? STFU, half of you have no fighting experience, you can't see anything worth shit, and you have no true knowledge of the sport. Of course Spinks didn't beat him silly he is a fucking featherfisted welterweight, but he did out box Taylor. He had better ring generalship, and he landed way more punches. Half the people know what they are talking about, the other half are fucking retards.