Curious...How does everyone here think the P4P rankings work?

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That's what I don't agree with, an undefeated record means fuck all unless you have top guys on your resume, imagine if Valuev was made top ten because of his record (before he got beat that is) that would be nuts.

All the best fighters have losses because they fought the best there was. Marciano may be an exeption though.

That's exactly what I was attempting to say... It does mean fuck all but if you're gonna let Marciano(one of my all time favorite fighters...) go you have to let a slew of others go...

So had Calzaghe not beat Hopkins and that fight never tool place... and his record was still intact... would he have been on you P4P list?

Like Marciano fought aging champs and aging challengers and a lot of tomato cans... (course Louis had his "bum of the month club as well) But he is still seen as one of the best not even taking into account his retiring undefeated when some say he was in his prime...

Without the Hopkins win I'd say no, Lacy and Kessler puts him easily in the top 20 maybe, but guys at smaller weights especially have fought better opposition more often than Joe. I dunno, P4P ratings really do fuck my head in.

No, no... I entirely agree with you. I remember having this discussion prior to the Hopkins fight on one of the 2 trillion P4P threads we normally have... Some had him at like 8 or nine... I had him at like 14 or so. I distinctly remember it. My point was that many had Calzaghe there for his longevity alone prior to beating a P4P fighter which I did not agree with.

We're on the same page, bro