Presidential debate is on now.

[BoxingGorilla]

If someone was going to say Obama won a debate it certainly would not be this last one.

McCain will be our President.

[killersheep]

If someone was going to say Obama won a debate it certainly would not be this last one.

McCain will be our President.

I disagree, again both guys were caught spewing the same amount of lies, my problem with McCain is that he says he is against spending and wants to reduce taxes, but every debate he mentions something else that he's going to spend government money on. Obama says the same, but he is raising taxes on people I don't care about to pay for what he's talking about.

Bush was a horrible president economically because he taxed like a conservative, but spent like a liberal. I feel that while McCain says he's going to cut pork, he is just as guilty as Obama in voting for 700 Billion dollar plus bail out plan, that is socializing the mortgage industry, less government my ass.

Obama wins because his economic policies will hurt the American people less in the long term.

[El Kabong]

Sorry bud, the storylines today are McCain wins

[killersheep]

Sorry bud, the storylines today are McCain wins

Fox News last night claimed victory for Obama.

[kingfrnk]

If someone was going to say Obama won a debate it certainly would not be this last one.

McCain will be our President.

you think so really? i think obama has a good chance of being the first black pres. damn i didnt even vote.

[BoxingGorilla]

i think obama has a good chance of being the first black pres. damn i didnt even vote.

That is another things that gets me. Obama is from a bi-racial relationship. He is half-white.

Obama will not be the first black president. Not in the same sense of someone like Denzel Washington becoming president. I think it's unfair to both races.

Nothing against Frank. I often say it myself without thinking about it.

[Wayne]

BG you would have a legit point if it weren't for the government standard that has been in place for a long, long time. Hell, you're doing it now still. Is half the only thing that counts? Look at virtually any black person in America- notice how most of us are a lighter shade of brown than the average black African? It's because most of us are part white. I know my great-great grandfather was white, at least. In this country, bi-racial still means black. Not black and white.

One-drop rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[BoxingGorilla]

BG you would have a legit point if it weren't for the government standard that has been in place for a long, long time. Hell, you're doing it now still. Is half the only thing that counts? Look at virtually any black person in America- notice how most of us are a lighter shade of brown than the average black African? It's because most of us are part white. I know my great-great grandfather was white, at least. In this country, bi-racial still means black. Not black and white.

One-drop rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Great point. I don't agree with what you are saying but I cannot deny it either...

My mind just sees it differently. I look at Holly Berry and I clearly see a person of mixed race. I do not see her as black or white but both.

I guess it's not so much how others view you (in general, not you KillFace) but how you view yourself. If you you were raised in a predomitely white family you may see yourself as white and if you were raised in a predomintely black family you will see yourself as black? Is it culture?

[Wayne]

BG you would have a legit point if it weren't for the government standard that has been in place for a long, long time. Hell, you're doing it now still. Is half the only thing that counts? Look at virtually any black person in America- notice how most of us are a lighter shade of brown than the average black African? It's because most of us are part white. I know my great-great grandfather was white, at least. In this country, bi-racial still means black. Not black and white.

One-drop rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Great point. I don't agree with what you are saying but I cannot deny it either...

My mind just sees it differently. I look at Holly Berry and I clearly see a person of mixed race. I do not see her as black or white but both.

I guess it's not so much how others view you (in general, not you KillFace) but how you view yourself. If you you were raised in a predomitely white family you may see yourself as white and if you were raised in a predomintely black family you will see yourself as black? Is it culture?

Yes, it is culture. But it's society too. I personally think a mixed person should be able to equally acknowledge both races and should be considered as both, but the fact is there's a national perception that if you are 3/4ths, half, 1/4th, 1/8th, etc., that you are black. I saw this thing on Oprah once where people you would have thought were white based on skin tone and how they identified themselves were "technically" black. There was a woman who broke down crying because her state re-issued her birth certificate where her race was changed to black because of an ancestor generations back who was black.

You also have the black people who can "pass". If most people felt the way you do, that it doesn't matter, then those black people wouldn't be hiding who they really are.My legal guardian's son, niece and nephews all could have passed. If anything you would have thought they were native American (they have close Cherokee roots). These weren't people who technically could be called mixed or bi-racial. But the fact of it is, most black people in America are at least bi-racial. But we just go under the umbrella of black. Obama, Berry, Carey, Kodjoe (can't really count him, he's a g-d foreigner), Kravitz, Bonet, Slash--they're not so different, it's just a matter of percent.

[OumaFan]

PalinAsPresident.com

Its point and click btw

[killersheep]

i think obama has a good chance of being the first black pres. damn i didnt even vote.

That is another things that gets me. Obama is from a bi-racial relationship. He is half-white.

Obama will not be the first black president. Not in the same sense of someone like Denzel Washington becoming president. I think it's unfair to both races.

Nothing against Frank. I often say it myself without thinking about it.

I'm half white and half Mexican, what would you call me?

[BoxingGorilla]

i think obama has a good chance of being the first black pres. damn i didnt even vote.

That is another things that gets me. Obama is from a bi-racial relationship. He is half-white.

Obama will not be the first black president. Not in the same sense of someone like Denzel Washington becoming president. I think it's unfair to both races.

Nothing against Frank. I often say it myself without thinking about it.

I'm half white and half Mexican, what would you call me?

What do you call yourself?

I think Mexicasian sounds ridiculous but Caucxican sounds worse.

[killersheep]

That is another things that gets me. Obama is from a bi-racial relationship. He is half-white.

Obama will not be the first black president. Not in the same sense of someone like Denzel Washington becoming president. I think it's unfair to both races.

Nothing against Frank. I often say it myself without thinking about it.

I'm half white and half Mexican, what would you call me?

What do you call yourself?

I think Mexicasian sounds ridiculous but Caucxican sounds worse.

Didn't see those boxes on the last census.

[boozeboxer]

i think obama has a good chance of being the first black pres. damn i didnt even vote.

That is another things that gets me. Obama is from a bi-racial relationship. He is half-white.

Obama will not be the first black president. Not in the same sense of someone like Denzel Washington becoming president. I think it's unfair to both races.

Nothing against Frank. I often say it myself without thinking about it.

I'm half white and half Mexican, what would you call me?

I would call you Killersheep, often the one with unreliable boxing predictions.

[killersheep]

That is another things that gets me. Obama is from a bi-racial relationship. He is half-white.

Obama will not be the first black president. Not in the same sense of someone like Denzel Washington becoming president. I think it's unfair to both races.

Nothing against Frank. I often say it myself without thinking about it.

I'm half white and half Mexican, what would you call me?

I would call you Killersheep, often the one with unreliable boxing predictions.

I'm pretty good at being right half the time