The death penalty! for it or against it???

[Ghost]

I am adamandtly against the death penalty, just as I am adamantly against abortion, human life is not ours to take in my opinion.

I don't think the death penalty has any place in a modern 21st century nation.

Of course I'd love to see the Ian Huntley's of this world hung, drawn and quartered for his child killings but let's be honest here, child killers amount to about 0.1% of all criminals.

If the death penalty was brought in many people whose crimes wern't on that magnitude would likely die too, along with the innocent.

I also cannot see how murdering a murderer makes anything right. If the taking of a human life is wrong (and it is) then a system of vengeful retaliation cannot be right surely?

Also what constitutes murder? To me someone who chooses to have their unborn but still living child scraped out of their uterus and thrown into a bin because they don't want the hassle of looking after it is as guilty of murder as anyone who kills somebody who is actually born.

At what point in this world of "Live and Let Live" would you say, is the "Rights" of the victims covered?

I respect what you belive in, even tho I do not agree with it. If it make you feel better than who am I to crush your world. But this ain't no perfect world and this may come off as being a little harsh and make me an asshole.

But when it comes to kids, death is not the worst thing that could happen to them. (the kids that is) 0.1% does not even come close to the number of crimes against kids that deserve a death sentence. But bleeding hearts let these "Offenders" go to rehab and try to cure them of their sickness.
(must stop here)


Moving on.. You ever have some one close to you murdered? I have had too many friends die over the years. Some due to accidents and some due to illness. But nothing comes close to the loss and the anger that comes from losing a grandmother and aunt in one afternoon. Killing the man who did that would not have been enough.

In the your case on "Abortions". You paint a pretty nasty picture with scrapping and all, but you are not the one who, when 13 or 14 gets pregnant after being raped repeatly and have to choose to keep it or not. Matter of fact, you being male have no say what so ever on what a girl or woman does with their own body, even if it was your sperm that got her pregnant in the first place.

Remember, this is the 21st Century, not the 17th where women had no say in such issues.

[Kev]

I am adamandtly against the death penalty, just as I am adamantly against abortion, human life is not ours to take in my opinion.

I don't think the death penalty has any place in a modern 21st century nation.

Of course I'd love to see the Ian Huntley's of this world hung, drawn and quartered for his child killings but let's be honest here, child killers amount to about 0.1% of all criminals.

If the death penalty was brought in many people whose crimes wern't on that magnitude would likely die too, along with the innocent.

I also cannot see how murdering a murderer makes anything right. If the taking of a human life is wrong (and it is) then a system of vengeful retaliation cannot be right surely?

Also what constitutes murder? To me someone who chooses to have their unborn but still living child scraped out of their uterus and thrown into a bin because they don't want the hassle of looking after it is as guilty of murder as anyone who kills somebody who is actually born.

At what point in this world of "Live and Let Live" would you say, is the "Rights" of the victims covered?

I respect what you belive in, even tho I do not agree with it. If it make you feel better than who am I to crush your world. But this ain't no perfect world and this may come off as being a little harsh and make me an asshole.

But when it comes to kids, death is not the worst thing that could happen to them. (the kids that is) 0.1% does not even come close to the number of crimes against kids that deserve a death sentence. But bleeding hearts let these "Offenders" go to rehab and try to cure them of their sickness.
(must stop here)


Moving on.. You ever have some one close to you murdered? I have had too many friends die over the years. Some due to accidents and some due to illness. But nothing comes close to the loss and the anger that comes from losing a grandmother and aunt in one afternoon. Killing the man who did that would not have been enough.

In the your case on "Abortions". You paint a pretty nasty picture with scrapping and all, but you are not the one who, when 13 or 14 gets pregnant after being raped repeatly and have to choose to keep it or not. Matter of fact, you being male have no say what so ever on what a girl or woman does with their own body, even if it was your sperm that got her pregnant in the first place.

Remember, this is the 21st Century, not the 17th where women had no say in such issues.

Read my post again I was not talking about them, the 0.1% of girls who have abortion for that reason, I was talking about those adult women who have an abortion for no other reason than they do not want the child.

A quick google of abortion stats
Abortion Statistics


Reveals the following regarding abortion in the United States, which I guess will be typical to the rest of the Western world.

Why women have abortions
1% of all abortions occur because of rape or incest; 6% of abortions occur because of potential health problems regarding either the mother or child, and 93% of all abortions occur for social reasons (i.e. the child is unwanted or inconvenient).


93% because they arn't wanted and yet people who defend it ALWAYS bring up the raped, those carrying sick and deformed babies and mums who might die if they give birth.

Again I am not referring to those, they have legitimate reasons for termination.

But the other 93%, just murderers in my eyes. Sorry if that offends but it is my view on things, just because it's socially acceptable doesn't make it morally right.

[Kev]

Oh and I would have replied to you Andre but as usual you had completely lost me by the second line

[Andre]

Oh and I would have replied to you Andre but as usual you had completely lost me by the second line

HAhaha of course go without saying.

[Von Milash]

I'm for the death penalty. Kill the fuckers.

[Ghost]

As I already said Bilbo "I respect what you belive in, even tho I do not agree with it."

But you seem to have missed the rest of the post

"Matter of fact, you being male have no say what so ever on what a girl or woman does with their own body, even if it was your sperm that got her pregnant in the first place.

Remember, this is the 21st Century, not the 17th where women had no say in such issues.


And "Statistics" are only a way for a person and/or group of people to justify their opions on any given subject. Statistics can be made to reflex anything that you want.


Nothing personal Bilbo.

[Kev]

As I already said Bilbo "I respect what you belive in, even tho I do not agree with it."

But you seem to have missed the rest of the post

"Matter of fact, you being male have no say what so ever on what a girl or woman does with their own body, even if it was your sperm that got her pregnant in the first place.

Remember, this is the 21st Century, not the 17th where women had no say in such issues.


And "Statistics" are only a way for a person and/or group of people to justify their opions on any given subject. Statistics can be made to reflex anything that you want.


Nothing personal Bilbo.

I disagree, it's up to a woman to do what she wants with her OWN body, but not the body inside her.

If an adult woman gets pregnant and decides she doesn't want the baby so gets it killed it's just fucking evil imo.

It may be legal, but I'd never get with a girl who values her own life and enjoyment above the life of an unborn child.

Again I'm not talking about the 7% of legitimate abortions I'm talking about all the others.

You are right about statistics being manipulatable but come on man you know as well as I do that virtually all abortions are done simply because the woman doesn't want the child.

1.21 million abortions in the US alone in 2005, that's a hell of a lot of kids getting raped and impregnated don't you think?

It's also true that around 40% of all woman going for an abortion have had one previously.

It's just wrong is all I'm saying.

It's no different to the Chinese drowing unwanted girls in the river just with modern technology we can kill them sooner.

I mean if a thief broke into your home and stole a valuable ring it would be theft, but if he stole it in the mail whilst it was being sent to you would it not be theft, as after all the ring was not delivered yet?

It's such a weak and selfish argument.

[Andre]

Never offended mate , it is all freedom of choice though.
I don't agree with most of it either to be honest, but I'm sure as hell not going to judge them for it either, or I lose something.