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    Default Re: The death penalty! for it or against it???

    Quote Originally Posted by Andre View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bilbo View Post
    I am adamandtly against the death penalty, just as I am adamantly against abortion, human life is not ours to take in my opinion.

    I don't think the death penalty has any place in a modern 21st century nation.

    Of course I'd love to see the Ian Huntley's of this world hung, drawn and quartered for his child killings but let's be honest here, child killers amount to about 0.1% of all criminals.

    If the death penalty was brought in many people whose crimes wern't on that magnitude would likely die too, along with the innocent.

    I also cannot see how murdering a murderer makes anything right. If the taking of a human life is wrong (and it is) then a system of vengeful retaliation cannot be right surely?

    Also what constitutes murder? To me someone who chooses to have their unborn but still living child scraped out of their uterus and thrown into a bin because they don't want the hassle of looking after it is as guilty of murder as anyone who kills somebody who is actually born.
    Im actually fully against the death penalty, I was joking along in my post.

    But on abortion Bilbo watch out with taking sides on that one and getting your emotions involved into hatred of some who are forced into that decision. There are degrees of stuff too, in regards abortion. Rape,known genetic disorders that will create a life of misery etc etc.
    I know you are leaning towards the churches accepted religious beliefs and what they have taught in regards to what you should accept or should not accept.
    BUT When the spirit ,atman, or soul enters a human body it does so right on the first breath taken in, outside of the mother.
    It as a life force being isnt in its body to be, during pregnancy, although the fetus does go through all the practice modes for its future physical survival including thumb sucking etc.
    Any spirit is not allowed to possess or be inside any other spirit which includes one being inside a mother in waiting.
    This is where the God given human birth right of freedom of choice comes right into action.
    Dark energies or evil spirits if you like, can only enter into another being if you on some level accept it. They suck energy and light force from people with light bodies and then steal health and energy as they cannot generate light energies themselves, they take.
    They also attempt to stop light beings from having freedom of choice in any issue so that they have control over others. Unlike God and the white light brotherhood there is no judgment in regards to any of these matters.
    And if you and the Church are correct and do actually speak for God; then where exactly does the commandment " Thou shall not judge come into play? It doesn't because then they lose their control over others and they start to die off.

    you gotta love this kat Andre; I can't understand a f#cking thing he says.
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    Default Re: The death penalty! for it or against it???

    Quote Originally Posted by LEGION View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Andre View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bilbo View Post
    I am adamandtly against the death penalty, just as I am adamantly against abortion, human life is not ours to take in my opinion.

    I don't think the death penalty has any place in a modern 21st century nation.

    Of course I'd love to see the Ian Huntley's of this world hung, drawn and quartered for his child killings but let's be honest here, child killers amount to about 0.1% of all criminals.

    If the death penalty was brought in many people whose crimes wern't on that magnitude would likely die too, along with the innocent.

    I also cannot see how murdering a murderer makes anything right. If the taking of a human life is wrong (and it is) then a system of vengeful retaliation cannot be right surely?

    Also what constitutes murder? To me someone who chooses to have their unborn but still living child scraped out of their uterus and thrown into a bin because they don't want the hassle of looking after it is as guilty of murder as anyone who kills somebody who is actually born.
    Im actually fully against the death penalty, I was joking along in my post.

    But on abortion Bilbo watch out with taking sides on that one and getting your emotions involved into hatred of some who are forced into that decision. There are degrees of stuff too, in regards abortion. Rape,known genetic disorders that will create a life of misery etc etc.
    I know you are leaning towards the churches accepted religious beliefs and what they have taught in regards to what you should accept or should not accept.
    BUT When the spirit ,atman, or soul enters a human body it does so right on the first breath taken in, outside of the mother.
    It as a life force being isnt in its body to be, during pregnancy, although the fetus does go through all the practice modes for its future physical survival including thumb sucking etc.
    Any spirit is not allowed to possess or be inside any other spirit which includes one being inside a mother in waiting.
    This is where the God given human birth right of freedom of choice comes right into action.
    Dark energies or evil spirits if you like, can only enter into another being if you on some level accept it. They suck energy and light force from people with light bodies and then steal health and energy as they cannot generate light energies themselves, they take.
    They also attempt to stop light beings from having freedom of choice in any issue so that they have control over others. Unlike God and the white light brotherhood there is no judgment in regards to any of these matters.
    And if you and the Church are correct and do actually speak for God; then where exactly does the commandment " Thou shall not judge come into play? It doesn't because then they lose their control over others and they start to die off.

    you gotta love this kat Andre; I can't understand a f#cking thing he says.
    You too .
    Well,you cant fathom truth just utilizing the brain alone, although if you did take it to heart; all the false social and religious beliefs taught to us and all the self guilt would fall off you like chains and you'd feel free,unjudged and think better about yourself then everyone and everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andre View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by LEGION View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Andre View Post

    Im actually fully against the death penalty, I was joking along in my post.

    But on abortion Bilbo watch out with taking sides on that one and getting your emotions involved into hatred of some who are forced into that decision. There are degrees of stuff too, in regards abortion. Rape,known genetic disorders that will create a life of misery etc etc.
    I know you are leaning towards the churches accepted religious beliefs and what they have taught in regards to what you should accept or should not accept.
    BUT When the spirit ,atman, or soul enters a human body it does so right on the first breath taken in, outside of the mother.
    It as a life force being isnt in its body to be, during pregnancy, although the fetus does go through all the practice modes for its future physical survival including thumb sucking etc.
    Any spirit is not allowed to possess or be inside any other spirit which includes one being inside a mother in waiting.
    This is where the God given human birth right of freedom of choice comes right into action.
    Dark energies or evil spirits if you like, can only enter into another being if you on some level accept it. They suck energy and light force from people with light bodies and then steal health and energy as they cannot generate light energies themselves, they take.
    They also attempt to stop light beings from having freedom of choice in any issue so that they have control over others. Unlike God and the white light brotherhood there is no judgment in regards to any of these matters.
    And if you and the Church are correct and do actually speak for God; then where exactly does the commandment " Thou shall not judge come into play? It doesn't because then they lose their control over others and they start to die off.

    you gotta love this kat Andre; I can't understand a f#cking thing he says.
    You too .
    Well,you cant fathom truth just utilizing the brain alone, although if you did take it to heart; all the false social and religious beliefs taught to us and all the self guilt would fall off you like chains and you'd feel free,unjudged and think better about yourself then everyone and everything.
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    Default Re: The death penalty! for it or against it???

    Quote Originally Posted by Andre View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by LEGION View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Andre View Post

    Im actually fully against the death penalty, I was joking along in my post.

    But on abortion Bilbo watch out with taking sides on that one and getting your emotions involved into hatred of some who are forced into that decision. There are degrees of stuff too, in regards abortion. Rape,known genetic disorders that will create a life of misery etc etc.
    I know you are leaning towards the churches accepted religious beliefs and what they have taught in regards to what you should accept or should not accept.
    BUT When the spirit ,atman, or soul enters a human body it does so right on the first breath taken in, outside of the mother.
    It as a life force being isnt in its body to be, during pregnancy, although the fetus does go through all the practice modes for its future physical survival including thumb sucking etc.
    Any spirit is not allowed to possess or be inside any other spirit which includes one being inside a mother in waiting.
    This is where the God given human birth right of freedom of choice comes right into action.
    Dark energies or evil spirits if you like, can only enter into another being if you on some level accept it. They suck energy and light force from people with light bodies and then steal health and energy as they cannot generate light energies themselves, they take.
    They also attempt to stop light beings from having freedom of choice in any issue so that they have control over others. Unlike God and the white light brotherhood there is no judgment in regards to any of these matters.
    And if you and the Church are correct and do actually speak for God; then where exactly does the commandment " Thou shall not judge come into play? It doesn't because then they lose their control over others and they start to die off.

    you gotta love this kat Andre; I can't understand a f#cking thing he says.
    You too .
    Well,you cant fathom truth just utilizing the brain alone, although if you did take it to heart; all the false social and religious beliefs taught to us and all the self guilt would fall off you like chains and you'd feel free,unjudged and think better about yourself then everyone and everything.
    Andre we have got to go on the piss when I'm in Australia , you are pretty wise for a senile Old Guy

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    We're on abortion now?!?!?!


    Well here is my view on that... I think abortion does need to be safe and therefore Government controlled (a part of me dies each time I use those two words together), however I think education needs to be a big part of helping solve this problem abortion shouldn't be the main type of birth control (because basically that's what the pro-choicers think it is) people use, also this whole "It's my body and nobody can tell me what to do with it" excuse is BULLCRAP! It's an ABORTION not a fucking tatoo! The government tells everyone what they can and can't do with their bodies...I can't do illegal drugs but "It's my body", I can't walk naked down the center of town but "It's my body".

    Abortion does need to be safe though, we don't need the 1930's style back alley doctors shoving coathangers in women. If it HAS to be done then it needs to be done humanely.

    I also think individual States should decide stuff like this gay marraige and what drugs are legal or illegal because it's not in the Constitution or any of the Ammendments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle View Post
    We're on abortion now?!?!?!


    Well here is my view on that... I think abortion does need to be safe and therefore Government controlled (a part of me dies each time I use those two words together), however I think education needs to be a big part of helping solve this problem abortion shouldn't be the main type of birth control (because basically that's what the pro-choicers think it is) people use, also this whole "It's my body and nobody can tell me what to do with it" excuse is BULLCRAP! It's an ABORTION not a fucking tatoo! The government tells everyone what they can and can't do with their bodies...I can't do illegal drugs but "It's my body", I can't walk naked down the center of town but "It's my body".

    Abortion does need to be safe though, we don't need the 1930's style back alley doctors shoving coathangers in women. If it HAS to be done then it needs to be done humanely.

    I also think individual States should decide stuff like this gay marraige and what drugs are legal or illegal because it's not in the Constitution or any of the Ammendments.
    1000% agree with this, it is not within the scope of what the Federal government does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle View Post
    We're on abortion now?!?!?!


    Well here is my view on that... I think abortion does need to be safe and therefore Government controlled (a part of me dies each time I use those two words together), however I think education needs to be a big part of helping solve this problem abortion shouldn't be the main type of birth control (because basically that's what the pro-choicers think it is) people use, also this whole "It's my body and nobody can tell me what to do with it" excuse is BULLCRAP! It's an ABORTION not a fucking tatoo! The government tells everyone what they can and can't do with their bodies...I can't do illegal drugs but "It's my body", I can't walk naked down the center of town but "It's my body".

    Abortion does need to be safe though, we don't need the 1930's style back alley doctors shoving coathangers in women. If it HAS to be done then it needs to be done humanely.

    I also think individual States should decide stuff like this gay marraige and what drugs are legal or illegal because it's not in the Constitution or any of the Ammendments.
    One of the best posts you've ever written Lyle, 100% agree mate

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    I'm going to keep my response short and sweet.. I'm all for it under very particular circumstances... And only really for the fact of saving the cost of keeping someone alive, locked up and feeding them for 60 odd years when they are never going to be released...

    To me, it's a just a question that gets to the point of, should a certain person be kept out of society for the rest of their life for everyone else's safety.. If the case is yes, because that person is horrible and will damage to society if released, then the question is what do you do with them then??

    Maybe they should have the choice between being in a cell forever or being put to death..


    I just wish they'd get sentencing laws right to protect citizens, before worrying about what to do with the ones they've got stored...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dizaster View Post
    I'm going to keep my response short and sweet.. I'm all for it under very particular circumstances... And only really for the fact of saving the cost of keeping someone alive, locked up and feeding them for 60 odd years when they are never going to be released...

    To me, it's a just a question that gets to the point of, should a certain person be kept out of society for the rest of their life for everyone else's safety.. If the case is yes, because that person is horrible and will damage to society if released, then the question is what do you do with them then??

    Maybe they should have the choice between being in a cell forever or being put to death..


    I just wish they'd get sentencing laws right to protect citizens, before worrying about what to do with the ones they've got stored...
    I'm still wondering if is euthanasia is ethical or not. My answer would depend on who is supposed to be given death penalty.

    I'd say yes if these are the people who caused the 9/11 and the likes.

    I'd say no if they are not terrorists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Andre View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by LEGION View Post


    you gotta love this kat Andre; I can't understand a f#cking thing he says.
    You too .
    Well,you cant fathom truth just utilizing the brain alone, although if you did take it to heart; all the false social and religious beliefs taught to us and all the self guilt would fall off you like chains and you'd feel free,unjudged and think better about yourself then everyone and everything.
    Andre we have got to go on the piss when I'm in Australia , you are pretty wise for a senile Old Guy

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    Default Re: The death penalty! for it or against it???

    I'm all for the death penalty when appropriate. I just don't like it done by the state. Let the State give the trial and incarcerate them if need be, but that is as far as it should go. I think the family of the victim should determine if they want it and should be responsible for carrying it out.

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