The death penalty! for it or against it???

[Kev]

Oh and I would have replied to you Andre but as usual you had completely lost me by the second line

[Andre]

Oh and I would have replied to you Andre but as usual you had completely lost me by the second line

HAhaha of course go without saying.

[Von Milash]

I'm for the death penalty. Kill the fuckers.

[Ghost]

As I already said Bilbo "I respect what you belive in, even tho I do not agree with it."

But you seem to have missed the rest of the post

"Matter of fact, you being male have no say what so ever on what a girl or woman does with their own body, even if it was your sperm that got her pregnant in the first place.

Remember, this is the 21st Century, not the 17th where women had no say in such issues.


And "Statistics" are only a way for a person and/or group of people to justify their opions on any given subject. Statistics can be made to reflex anything that you want.


Nothing personal Bilbo.

[Kev]

As I already said Bilbo "I respect what you belive in, even tho I do not agree with it."

But you seem to have missed the rest of the post

"Matter of fact, you being male have no say what so ever on what a girl or woman does with their own body, even if it was your sperm that got her pregnant in the first place.

Remember, this is the 21st Century, not the 17th where women had no say in such issues.


And "Statistics" are only a way for a person and/or group of people to justify their opions on any given subject. Statistics can be made to reflex anything that you want.


Nothing personal Bilbo.

I disagree, it's up to a woman to do what she wants with her OWN body, but not the body inside her.

If an adult woman gets pregnant and decides she doesn't want the baby so gets it killed it's just fucking evil imo.

It may be legal, but I'd never get with a girl who values her own life and enjoyment above the life of an unborn child.

Again I'm not talking about the 7% of legitimate abortions I'm talking about all the others.

You are right about statistics being manipulatable but come on man you know as well as I do that virtually all abortions are done simply because the woman doesn't want the child.

1.21 million abortions in the US alone in 2005, that's a hell of a lot of kids getting raped and impregnated don't you think?

It's also true that around 40% of all woman going for an abortion have had one previously.

It's just wrong is all I'm saying.

It's no different to the Chinese drowing unwanted girls in the river just with modern technology we can kill them sooner.

I mean if a thief broke into your home and stole a valuable ring it would be theft, but if he stole it in the mail whilst it was being sent to you would it not be theft, as after all the ring was not delivered yet?

It's such a weak and selfish argument.

[Kev]

Oh and if you argue that it's the woman's choice, and I accept legally it is, then under the freedom of speech act I can exercise my own right to say that it's fucking evil and that they have done a shameful thing.

In a non judgemental way of course

[Spicoli]

Far too many cases of Current DNA findings resulting in the release of people proven innocent.Also,I just have an issue with the State and or Federal government ordering,mandating executions of any citizen.In some ways,Execution is far to easy for someone proven through DNA or substantiated eye witness accounts to have taken a life in the most savage of ways....case by case,Let em suffer in a cold dank cell,alone and on a diet of saltines & water.And why all of the Animal testing with these types available? All of the IED's maiming Guy's/Gal's over sea's.....just have these fawks walk in front of the hummers?How about a real life 'Saw" movie?Shit...those crash test dummies could use a break after all....how much more definative results can you hope for with side collision impact than the real thing?Or just let the Victims direct family make the ultimate decision?Honestly,If a member of my family were to be harmed by another individual,The courts would have to beat me to a "decision".But I really can not stand Saltines either.....

[Ghost]

Oh and if you argue that it's the woman's choice, and I accept legally it is, then under the freedom of speech act I can exercise my own right to say that it's fucking evil and that they have done a shameful thing.

In a non judgemental way of course

And I would fight for your right to say it. "Freedom of Speech"

Even if I think you are wrong.

[Andre]

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It's just wrong is all I'm saying.

It's no different to the Chinese drowning unwanted girls in the river just with modern technology we can kill them sooner.

If your going to judge something good or evil; judge the intent behind the action and you get to see which side of the fence they actually stand on and if they really are the enemy or not.



The difference (can be the difference between compassion and power); One way is stopping a soul from entering here for a period of our time prior to its actual arrival in the body, (not so bad and is easily recorrected from the other side).Reasons for termination are personal, can be greed ,can be compassion,its not for us to judge.

The other is ceasing a humanized souls existence, one who has already been through the birthing process which is massive, looking at it from both sides -spirit and material. That adds up to both theft and murder for reasons of stealing power and position away from another for the perper-traitors own power gain.

I can't convieniantly just bunch those two groups together.


I mean if a thief broke into your home and stole a valuable ring it would be theft, but if he stole it in the mail whilst it was being sent to you would it not be theft, as after all the ring was not delivered yet?

It's such a weak and selfish argument.

Ahhh , The ring! its mine! Its my presshous!

I think the weak and selfish arguments stem from the this is right and this wrong camp cause the real causes are instantly scanned over so that all the blame is laid onto others.

The unselfish and stronger question to ask here is why does the thief need to steal it ?

Maybe to feed themselves or their children cause we don't care enough for them?

Any thief for any reason is lacking something a lot bigger than just the ring.

We are actually all in this together ,until we all 'get it' (the bigger picture);some wont ever have it.

[Ghost]

Before gettin into your post, publicly, I am neither for or against abortions.

I disagree, it's up to a woman to do what she wants with her OWN body, but not the body inside her.

If an adult woman gets pregnant and decides she doesn't want the baby so gets it killed it's just fucking evil imo.

It may be legal, but I'd never get with a girl who values her own life and enjoyment above the life of an unborn child.

At what point does sperm become a child? There are a lot of answers to this one question alone. And would take too long to place them all in this thread.

Again I'm not talking about the 7% of legitimate abortions I'm talking about all the others.

So, to you there are some abortions that are ok and some that are not. And to you it boils down to a moral question on which one you think are ok. Does that sum up your stand?

You are right about statistics being manipulatable but come on man you know as well as I do that virtually all abortions are done simply because the woman doesn't want the child.

1.21 million abortions in the US alone in 2005, that's a hell of a lot of kids getting raped and impregnated don't you think?

It's also true that around 40% of all woman going for an abortion have had one previously.

World wide there is a push to end smoking. Statistics say "Smoking Kills" more people per year than all other know illness's combined. But what they do not print is the question to the surveys. Did you know, that any death, where a cigarette can be found at the scene is considered smoking related if the person smoked? Does not matter if it was in a plane that crashed, a car that crashed or if the person was shot and killed. It all goes into the statistics on deaths related to smoking.

It's just wrong is all I'm saying.

It's no different to the Chinese drowing unwanted girls in the river just with modern technology we can kill them sooner.

Depends on when you consider sperm a living beathing person.

I mean if a thief broke into your home and stole a valuable ring it would be theft, but if he stole it in the mail whilst it was being sent to you would it not be theft, as after all the ring was not delivered yet?

It's such a weak and selfish argument.

[Andre]

Before gettin into your post, publicly, I am neither for or against abortions.

I disagree, it's up to a woman to do what she wants with her OWN body, but not the body inside her.

If an adult woman gets pregnant and decides she doesn't want the baby so gets it killed it's just fucking evil imo.

It may be legal, but I'd never get with a girl who values her own life and enjoyment above the life of an unborn child.

At what point does sperm become a child? There are a lot of answers to this one question alone. And would take too long to place them all in this thread.

Again I'm not talking about the 7% of legitimate abortions I'm talking about all the others.

So, to you there are some abortions that are ok and some that are not. And to you it boils down to a moral question on which one you think are ok. Does that sum up your stand?



World wide there is a push to end smoking. Statistics say "Smoking Kills" more people per year than all other know illness's combined. But what they do not print is the question to the surveys. Did you know, that any death, where a cigarette can be found at the scene is considered smoking related if the person smoked? Does not matter if it was in a plane that crashed, a car that crashed or if the person was shot and killed. It all goes into the statistics on deaths related to smoking.

It's just wrong is all I'm saying.

It's no different to the Chinese drowing unwanted girls in the river just with modern technology we can kill them sooner.

Depends on when you consider sperm a living beathing person.

I mean if a thief broke into your home and stole a valuable ring it would be theft, but if he stole it in the mail whilst it was being sent to you would it not be theft, as after all the ring was not delivered yet?

It's such a weak and selfish argument.

Im sure, Im standing along side Ahh , with you on this Ghost .

Where are you


Although Im attempting to relay the real spiritual and bigger picture concerning the two different intents found behind this action: You are dealing with the intellectual side of the same issue, may I say from the correct feeling/spirit which stem from the light and the truth, unlike the churches usual spiritually immature and darkened stance.