does this fight cement joe c's legacy?

[kingfrnk]

no, he barley won a split decision. and many people think he still lost. just cause he won a very close decision against bhop and hopkins beat the crap outta pavlik doesnt mean it cements joes legacy at all. but bhop beating a young undefeated champion does more for his legacy which has already been accomplished.

[intoccabile]

Also. I saw hopkins get severely gassed after 6 against joe and stop punching entirely, i didn't see that tonight.

All tonight proved was that hopkins COULD have fought a much more active fight against joe than he did.
Now I'm questioning if he trained properly for the Joe fight. Hopkins tonight would have beaten Joe IMO.

[BIG H]

Calzaghe stopped Hopkins from fighting a 'more active' fight that's the difference

[intoccabile]

Please tell me you are being sarcastic?

[BIG H]

Please tell me you are being sarcastic?

Why's that?

You think having somebody throwing punches at the rate that Calzaghe was and with his general workrate, wouldn't affect Hopkins ability to be more offensive he was able to be in the Pavlick fight

Ah I know what happened. Calzaghe fought an Old Hopkins, but suddenly Hopkins has be rejuvenated in between fights and lost 5 years of his age

[The Shadow]

Also. I saw hopkins get severely gassed after 6 against joe and stop punching entirely, i didn't see that tonight.

All tonight proved was that hopkins COULD have fought a much more active fight against joe than he did.
Now I'm questioning if he trained properly for the Joe fight. Hopkins tonight would have beaten Joe IMO.

Yeah, absolutely no doubt about it.

[Gandalf]

Also. I saw hopkins get severely gassed after 6 against joe and stop punching entirely, i didn't see that tonight.

All tonight proved was that hopkins COULD have fought a much more active fight against joe than he did.
Now I'm questioning if he trained properly for the Joe fight. Hopkins tonight would have beaten Joe IMO.

Its nonsense to say that this version of BHop would have beaten Calzaghe. Pavlik was slow, flat and didnt throw anything. Of course BHop wasnt gassed in there. Pavlik had no output and struggled to even shoot of the jab. Pavlik didnt apply intelligent pressure, Calzaghe does. And Calzaghe is far slicker than Pavlik, faster, and an all round far superior boxer.

If Hopkins faces Calzaghe again, it will be a wider victory for Joe. Calzaghe has that style worked out now, and would just bring it to Hopkins earlier.

Hopkins fought a great fight, but to suggest that would have been enough to deter Calzaghe is fantasyland stuff. As far as Im concerned Calzaghe hismself had the off night against Hopkins, and still cantered home down the stretch.

I wouldnt mind seeing them at it again actually, now that Pavlik has fallen off the radar.

[Trainer Monkey]

Miles,frankly your full of it,you can make a clear case Bernard won.Ive never complained about the decision, because work rate even without landing,which Joe rarely did,will get you the judges. But only one fighter got hurt in that fight,and it was Joe.
The only things that got hurt in that fight going Joes way was,Joes knuckles and Bernards biceps

[thewhale]

Don´t think so, but I was surprised to see B´hop being the Ghostbuster

[Gandalf]

Miles,frankly your full of it,you can make a clear case Bernard won.Ive never complained about the decision, because work rate even without landing,which Joe rarely did,will get you the judges. But only one fighter got hurt in that fight,and it was Joe.
The only things that got hurt in that fight going Joes way was,Joes knuckles and Bernards biceps

I dont think a case can be made for Hopkins winning that. The knockdown kept it close enough, but Hopkins was completely outhustled from the 6th onwards. And Calzaghe was clearly working his way into it prior to that. Calzaghe got put down and got straight back up. The only thing hurt was Calzaghes pride having made the start he did.

Like I say, I wouldnt mind seeing a rematch because I think Calzaghe has the smarts to do it much more concisively.

[Trainer Monkey]

Miles,frankly your full of it,you can make a clear case Bernard won.Ive never complained about the decision, because work rate even without landing,which Joe rarely did,will get you the judges. But only one fighter got hurt in that fight,and it was Joe.
The only things that got hurt in that fight going Joes way was,Joes knuckles and Bernards biceps

I dont think a case can be made for Hopkins winning that. The knockdown kept it close enough, but Hopkins was completely outhustled from the 6th onwards. And Calzaghe was clearly working his way into it prior to that. Calzaghe got put down and got straight back up. The only thing hurt was Calzaghes pride having made the start he did.

Like I say, I wouldnt mind seeing a rematch because I think Calzaghe has the smarts to do it much more concisively.

Actually the rematch Id like to see is Clazeghe Kessler,Id like to see what Mikel does with two healthy hands in there

[Gandalf]

Miles,frankly your full of it,you can make a clear case Bernard won.Ive never complained about the decision, because work rate even without landing,which Joe rarely did,will get you the judges. But only one fighter got hurt in that fight,and it was Joe.
The only things that got hurt in that fight going Joes way was,Joes knuckles and Bernards biceps

I dont think a case can be made for Hopkins winning that. The knockdown kept it close enough, but Hopkins was completely outhustled from the 6th onwards. And Calzaghe was clearly working his way into it prior to that. Calzaghe got put down and got straight back up. The only thing hurt was Calzaghes pride having made the start he did.

Like I say, I wouldnt mind seeing a rematch because I think Calzaghe has the smarts to do it much more concisively.

Actually the rematch Id like to see is Clazeghe Kessler,Id like to see what Mikel does with two healthy hands in there

Would be an interesting fight, but Calzaghe won that last one too convincingly. Calzaghe has probably this fight and one more maximum. I cannot imagine Kessler getting another chance at Joe.

[Markusdarkus]

no, he barley won a split decision. and many people think he still lost. just cause he won a very close decision against bhop and hopkins beat the crap outta pavlik doesnt mean it cements joes legacy at all. but bhop beating a young undefeated champion does more for his legacy which has already been accomplished.

Of course it doers you muppet!

Pavlik did not win one round and was exposed as a middling champion with power.