does this fight cement joe c's legacy?

[Gandalf]

Miles,frankly your full of it,you can make a clear case Bernard won.Ive never complained about the decision, because work rate even without landing,which Joe rarely did,will get you the judges. But only one fighter got hurt in that fight,and it was Joe.
The only things that got hurt in that fight going Joes way was,Joes knuckles and Bernards biceps

I dont think a case can be made for Hopkins winning that. The knockdown kept it close enough, but Hopkins was completely outhustled from the 6th onwards. And Calzaghe was clearly working his way into it prior to that. Calzaghe got put down and got straight back up. The only thing hurt was Calzaghes pride having made the start he did.

Like I say, I wouldnt mind seeing a rematch because I think Calzaghe has the smarts to do it much more concisively.

Actually the rematch Id like to see is Clazeghe Kessler,Id like to see what Mikel does with two healthy hands in there

Would be an interesting fight, but Calzaghe won that last one too convincingly. Calzaghe has probably this fight and one more maximum. I cannot imagine Kessler getting another chance at Joe.

[Trainer Monkey]

I dont think a case can be made for Hopkins winning that. The knockdown kept it close enough, but Hopkins was completely outhustled from the 6th onwards. And Calzaghe was clearly working his way into it prior to that. Calzaghe got put down and got straight back up. The only thing hurt was Calzaghes pride having made the start he did.

Like I say, I wouldnt mind seeing a rematch because I think Calzaghe has the smarts to do it much more concisively.

Actually the rematch Id like to see is Clazeghe Kessler,Id like to see what Mikel does with two healthy hands in there

Would be an interesting fight, but Calzaghe won that last one too convincingly. Calzaghe has probably this fight and one more maximum. I cannot imagine Kessler getting another chance at Joe.

Still,Joe and Bernard go after each other again,Ive allready seen this fight,Bernard will hurt Joe early,and try to coast in the second half of the fight.
The judging may go differently, but it will be the same fight.
Kessler with two hands against Joe would be WAY more interesting

[WelshDevilRob]

Just proves that Kelly was overhyped and I include myself in doing that.

Bernard took him to school and showed that Kelly only has one real way of fighting. People like Hopkins and Calzaghe are versatile and can adjust which is why they have been at the top so long.

It makes Jack Loew look like the mouthy clown he is, I bet Enzo Calzaghe is laughing his head off - They said Kelly wasn't upto it and Bernard proved them right.

For the record Joe beat Bernard by imposing his fight on Hopkins and clawed his way back from the early set back of a knockdown - thats proof of Greatness and Bhop schooling Pavlik, who couldn't impose his fight game on Hopkins, just emphasizes that Bhop and Joe are Great fighters.

You can moan and complain but you can't change the result.

[GAME]

I agree that this fight shows how great Joe Calzaghe is.

Everyone made an excuse than Hopkins was past his prime but he just went in with the best young America and dominated him easily . Proof that Joe must have boxed really well to land so many shots on Hopkins.

[Kev]

Just proves that Kelly was overhyped and I include myself in doing that.

Bernard took him to school and showed that Kelly only has one real way of fighting. People like Hopkins and Calzaghe are versatile and can adjust which is why they have been at the top so long.

It makes Jack Loew look like the mouthy clown he is, I bet Enzo Calzaghe is laughing his head off - They said Kelly wasn't upto it and Bernard proved them right.

For the record Joe beat Bernard by imposing his fight on Hopkins and clawed his way back from the early set back of a knockdown - thats proof of Greatness and Bhop schooling Pavlik, who couldn't impose his fight game on Hopkins, just emphasizes that Bhop and Joe are Great fighters.

You can moan and complain but you can't change the result.

Ah come on Rob yesterday you said this was an easy pointless fight Pavlik just to get a name on his record and when Hopkins defies father time with a truly great performance you dimiss it as just Pavlik being overratted?

Hopkins was simply superb last night.

I still don't think he'd beat Calzaghe because Calzaghe is the second best fighter on the planet imo and has the beating of everyone from 160 -175 (with Dawson being the danger man) but this was a stellar performance from Hopkins.

[Fenster]

Pavlik was a bit overhyped but no-one expected a thrashing like that.

And YES it does highlight how good Calzaghe is.

Although Hopkins thinks he won the Calzaghe fight.. last night, he himself admitted he could have lost to Calzaghe by telling Ron Borges - styles make fights, Calzaghe throws a ton of punches

[El Kabong]

Pavlik was a bit overhyped but no-one expected a thrashing like that.

And YES it does highlight how good Calzaghe is.

Although Hopkins thinks he won the Calzaghe fight.. last night, he himself admitted he could have lost to Calzaghe by telling Ron Borges - styles make fights, Calzaghe throws a ton of punches

I think the bigger question is what does it say about Jermain Taylor

[littlebif]

I think why Hopkin's was more agressive is because he saw Pavlik had alot more flaws than many thought,and he could read what Pavlik was going to do.It was a master class from the old dude.

[Drago]

if calzaghe was american! well he would be the greatest of all time.

lennox lewis did everything in the americans backyard but it wasnt enuff, never is! why beacuse he aint american.

simple as!!!!!!

[Deanrw]

To an extent it does I suppose. I mean styles do make fights, but Pavlik made Bernard look like he was still in his prime, while Joe at least made him look his age.

That in itself deserves accolades.

[Phil]

Pavlik was a bit overhyped but no-one expected a thrashing like that.

And YES it does highlight how good Calzaghe is.

Although Hopkins thinks he won the Calzaghe fight.. last night, he himself admitted he could have lost to Calzaghe by telling Ron Borges - styles make fights, Calzaghe throws a ton of punches

I think the bigger question is what does it say about Jermain Taylor

yeah im pretty interested in his fight with lacy, taylor hasnt looked good in a long time, could even see lacy stopping him...

[intoccabile]

Pavlik was a bit overhyped but no-one expected a thrashing like that.

And YES it does highlight how good Calzaghe is.

Although Hopkins thinks he won the Calzaghe fight.. last night, he himself admitted he could have lost to Calzaghe by telling Ron Borges - styles make fights, Calzaghe throws a ton of punches

I think the bigger question is what does it say about Jermain Taylor

Doesn't say anything. He tosses looping punches around - that's the counter for lateral movement. He's actually a counter to Bhop stylistically dispute all of his flaws and bhop still managed to win both fights in alot of peoples eyes.

[Trainer Monkey]

Pavlik was a bit overhyped but no-one expected a thrashing like that.

And YES it does highlight how good Calzaghe is.

Although Hopkins thinks he won the Calzaghe fight.. last night, he himself admitted he could have lost to Calzaghe by telling Ron Borges - styles make fights, Calzaghe throws a ton of punches

I think the bigger question is what does it say about Jermain Taylor

Doesn't say anything. He tosses looping punches around - that's the counter for lateral movement. He's actually a counter to Bhop stylistically dispute all of his flaws and bhop still managed to win both fights in alot of peoples eyes.

And even for those who thought Taylor won,he really didnt,because Taylor has never been the same fighter since BHOP