Bernard Hopkins

[Tysonbruno]

Hopkins didn't fight like that against Calzaghe because he couldn't.

Calzaghe is a MILLION times better than Pavlik.

Ok you keep believing that mate when Hopkins fought Calzaghe he didn't fight nowhere near as offensive as he did vs Pavlik and to say he didn't do it vs Calzaghe because he couldn't is just laughable Calzaghe only just beat Hopkins many including myself thought Hopkins did enough to keep his title.

[Fenster]

Hopkins didn't fight like that against Calzaghe because he couldn't.

Calzaghe is a MILLION times better than Pavlik.

Ok you keep believing that mate when Hopkins fought Calzaghe he didn't fight nowhere near as offensive as he did vs Pavlik and to say he didn't do it vs Calzaghe because he couldn't is just laughable Calzaghe only just beat Hopkins many including myself thought Hopkins did enough to keep his title.

Hopkins himself said last night - styles make fights and Calzaghe throws a ton of punches.

Your comparison is silly. It's like saying if the Calzaghe that fought Lacy showed up against Hopkins he'd of slaughtered him.

[ICB]

Hopkins didn't fight like that against Calzaghe because he couldn't.

Calzaghe is a MILLION times better than Pavlik.

Ok you keep believing that mate when Hopkins fought Calzaghe he didn't fight nowhere near as offensive as he did vs Pavlik and to say he didn't do it vs Calzaghe because he couldn't is just laughable Calzaghe only just beat Hopkins many including myself thought Hopkins did enough to keep his title.

Kelly Pavlik walked forward in straight lines, not throwing punches. With slow footwork no head movement and kept telegraphing his punches. Joe Calzaghe threw many more punches with much more variety and kept the pressure on, he also used angles so he wasn't an easy target to hit while pressuring.

I thought Bernard Hopkins also won the Joe Calzaghe fight by 1 point, i had it 6-6 but with the knockdown in the first round giving Bernard Hopkins the edge. But Bernard Hopkins didn't fight as good against Joe Calzaghe, because Joe Calzaghe kept the pressure on and didn't allow Bernard Hopkins, have time to rest like Kelly Pavlik did.

[Tysonbruno]

Makes me laugh how people are saying in all different threads about how bad Pavlik performed or he was overrated look end of the day Hopkins deserves all the Positives here he fought a great fight he made Pavlik look bad he made Pavlik fight his fight lets not start taking this from Hopkins by saying Pavlik just weren't that good or he fought in straight lines or he was overrated. Hopkins made him fight in the style he did Hopkins turned back the clock for one more great performance look Pavlik got beat by the BETTER man lets not have sour grapes.

[BIG H]

Makes me laugh how people are saying in all different threads about how bad Pavlik performed or he was overrated look end of the day Hopkins deserves all the Positives here he fought a great fight he made Pavlik look bad he made Pavlik fight his fight lets not start taking this from Hopkins by saying Pavlik just weren't that good or he fought in straight lines or he was overrated. Hopkins made him fight in the style he did Hopkins turned back the clock for one more great performance look Pavlik got beat by the BETTER man lets not have sour grapes.

Isn't that the exactly the same thing you are doing when you say the the Hopkins that fought Calzaghe wasn't that good

[Tysonbruno]

Makes me laugh how people are saying in all different threads about how bad Pavlik performed or he was overrated look end of the day Hopkins deserves all the Positives here he fought a great fight he made Pavlik look bad he made Pavlik fight his fight lets not start taking this from Hopkins by saying Pavlik just weren't that good or he fought in straight lines or he was overrated. Hopkins made him fight in the style he did Hopkins turned back the clock for one more great performance look Pavlik got beat by the BETTER man lets not have sour grapes.

Isn't that the exactly the same thing you are doing when you say the the Hopkins that fought Calzaghe wasn't that good

No im saying that Hopkins that fought Calzaghe didn't fight as good as the one who fought Pavlik last night he was a lot better and anybody who thinks he didn't fight as good vs Calzaghe it was because Calzaghe didn't let him is deluded. He fought like a different fighter last night i myself was sat in my living room in shock he was a lot more fired up he forced the fight something he didn't really do vs Calzaghe and not because Calzaghe didn't let just because he didn't try to force it i thought vs Calzaghe Hopkins was pretty negative he could have done more and won but this is just my opinion.

[brucelee]

Makes me laugh how people are saying in all different threads about how bad Pavlik performed or he was overrated look end of the day Hopkins deserves all the Positives here he fought a great fight he made Pavlik look bad he made Pavlik fight his fight lets not start taking this from Hopkins by saying Pavlik just weren't that good or he fought in straight lines or he was overrated. Hopkins made him fight in the style he did Hopkins turned back the clock for one more great performance look Pavlik got beat by the BETTER man lets not have sour grapes.

Isn't that the exactly the same thing you are doing when you say the the Hopkins that fought Calzaghe wasn't that good

No im saying that Hopkins that fought Calzaghe didn't fight as good as the one who fought Pavlik last night he was a lot better and anybody who thinks he didn't fight as good vs Calzaghe it was because Calzaghe didn't let him is deluded. He fought like a different fighter last night i myself was sat in my living room in shock he was a lot more fired up he forced the fight something he didn't really do vs Calzaghe and not because Calzaghe didn't let just because he didn't try to force it i thought vs Calzaghe Hopkins was pretty negative he could have done more and won but this is just my opinion.

Hopkins was excellent in that fight because Kelly lacks the experience to handle Hopkins' style. All in all, I give the credit to Hopkins for showing us a great fight.

[skel1983]

Makes me laugh how people are saying in all different threads about how bad Pavlik performed or he was overrated look end of the day Hopkins deserves all the Positives here he fought a great fight he made Pavlik look bad he made Pavlik fight his fight lets not start taking this from Hopkins by saying Pavlik just weren't that good or he fought in straight lines or he was overrated. Hopkins made him fight in the style he did Hopkins turned back the clock for one more great performance look Pavlik got beat by the BETTER man lets not have sour grapes.

Isn't that the exactly the same thing you are doing when you say the the Hopkins that fought Calzaghe wasn't that good

No im saying that Hopkins that fought Calzaghe didn't fight as good as the one who fought Pavlik last night he was a lot better and anybody who thinks he didn't fight as good vs Calzaghe it was because Calzaghe didn't let him is deluded. He fought like a different fighter last night i myself was sat in my living room in shock he was a lot more fired up he forced the fight something he didn't really do vs Calzaghe and not because Calzaghe didn't let just because he didn't try to force it i thought vs Calzaghe Hopkins was pretty negative he could have done more and won but this is just my opinion.

Deluded??

Mate Hopkins last night was dealing with a totally different proposistion, Pavlik just walked in straight lines very pedestrain aswell throwing absolutely nothing, Calzaghe makes you fight his fight, Calzaghe imposes himself on you by using great footwork and throwing punches from everywhere, i think you are deluded stulethat styles make fights exaclty as Hopkins pointed out at the end of the fight.

[BIG H]

The really good things is we actually know what happens if B-Hop fights JC, coz it did happen and JC won

[Deanrw]

The biggest difference between Calzaghe/Hopkins and Pavlik/Hopkins is that Pavlik requires to be set when throwing punches, while Calzaghe throws punches regardless.

Calzaghe threw punches even when not set or out of range. he did not let Hopkins movement or countering deter him, which in itself, made Hopkins a bit hesitant.

Pavlik would not throw punches when off kilter. He seemed lost last night. Weight or anything had nothing to do with him losing. It was Hopkins movement and timing that got to him. He was reacting to Hopkins instead of making his own fight. Joe fell into Hopkins trap also, but not nearly as bad as Pavlik did.

It is strange really. I am not sure what Pavlik was expecting going into the fight.

[intoccabile]

Hopkins moved more, punched more, and clinched less last night.
Do the math - that means he WORKED more last night and for 12 rounds.

Against Calzaghe he punched less, moved less, clinched more,
and took breaks on low blows.. but was winded after the 7th round.

The OP is 100% correct in saying that hopkins was a different fighter last night.
His cardio was much better and he was 10x more active and worked 10x harder then
he did against cazlaghe. Calzaghe did nothing to wear him down or tire him out, but
he got tired... Last night he didn't.

I'll argue that he was better trained for the fight tonight than against Calzaghe.

[The Fightfan]

I was dead wrong about B-hop and my prediction. Although I don't think Kelly is that plodder some people are making him out to be. I think it was B-Hop who was that good. I have never seen B-Hop so active,throwing punches in combination,slipping, blocking,rolling all the tricks in the bag for this fight. To me this was the best B-Hop I've seen in ten years.Better than the Tito fight better than the Oscar fight and yes better than the Tarver fight.

[Fenster]

Hopkins didn't fight like that against Calzaghe because he couldn't.

Calzaghe is a MILLION times better than Pavlik.

Ok you keep believing that mate when Hopkins fought Calzaghe he didn't fight nowhere near as offensive as he did vs Pavlik and to say he didn't do it vs Calzaghe because he couldn't is just laughable Calzaghe only just beat Hopkins many including myself thought Hopkins did enough to keep his title.

Kelly Pavlik walked forward in straight lines, not throwing punches. With slow footwork no head movement and kept telegraphing his punches. Joe Calzaghe threw many more punches with much more variety and kept the pressure on, he also used angles so he wasn't an easy target to hit while pressuring.

I thought Bernard Hopkins also won the Joe Calzaghe fight by 1 point, i had it 6-6 but with the knockdown in the first round giving Bernard Hopkins the edge. But Bernard Hopkins didn't fight as good against Joe Calzaghe, because Joe Calzaghe kept the pressure on and didn't allow Bernard Hopkins, have time to rest like Kelly Pavlik did.

Exactly.

Even people that think Hopkins beat Calzaghe all have it a close fight.

Hopkins simply exposed Pavlik for the limited fighter he is. He never looked to have a single thing over Calzaghe apart from punch power.

[Taeth]

Ok you keep believing that mate when Hopkins fought Calzaghe he didn't fight nowhere near as offensive as he did vs Pavlik and to say he didn't do it vs Calzaghe because he couldn't is just laughable Calzaghe only just beat Hopkins many including myself thought Hopkins did enough to keep his title.

Kelly Pavlik walked forward in straight lines, not throwing punches. With slow footwork no head movement and kept telegraphing his punches. Joe Calzaghe threw many more punches with much more variety and kept the pressure on, he also used angles so he wasn't an easy target to hit while pressuring.

I thought Bernard Hopkins also won the Joe Calzaghe fight by 1 point, i had it 6-6 but with the knockdown in the first round giving Bernard Hopkins the edge. But Bernard Hopkins didn't fight as good against Joe Calzaghe, because Joe Calzaghe kept the pressure on and didn't allow Bernard Hopkins, have time to rest like Kelly Pavlik did.

Exactly.

Even people that think Hopkins beat Calzaghe all have it a close fight.

Hopkins simply exposed Pavlik for the limited fighter he is. He never looked to have a single thing over Calzaghe apart from punch power.

Are you talking about Hopkins or Pavlik because Hopkins has way better technique, skill, defense, chin, etc, etc, etc then Calzaghe. He is the superior fighter. He has foughten better competition and he beat Calzaghe, close or not he's 43 and Calzaghe barely was able to hang with him becuase of his age. Put the 36 year old bernard who fought Trinidad in there and Calzaghe would have been schooled. It was easy to see that besides he lack of output that Bernard was another level of fighter compared to joe.

[BIG H]

Despite lack of output Aint that quite important in boxing? It aint Dancing with the stars