Bernard Hopkins

[Tysonbruno]

Makes me laugh how people are saying in all different threads about how bad Pavlik performed or he was overrated look end of the day Hopkins deserves all the Positives here he fought a great fight he made Pavlik look bad he made Pavlik fight his fight lets not start taking this from Hopkins by saying Pavlik just weren't that good or he fought in straight lines or he was overrated. Hopkins made him fight in the style he did Hopkins turned back the clock for one more great performance look Pavlik got beat by the BETTER man lets not have sour grapes.

Isn't that the exactly the same thing you are doing when you say the the Hopkins that fought Calzaghe wasn't that good

No im saying that Hopkins that fought Calzaghe didn't fight as good as the one who fought Pavlik last night he was a lot better and anybody who thinks he didn't fight as good vs Calzaghe it was because Calzaghe didn't let him is deluded. He fought like a different fighter last night i myself was sat in my living room in shock he was a lot more fired up he forced the fight something he didn't really do vs Calzaghe and not because Calzaghe didn't let just because he didn't try to force it i thought vs Calzaghe Hopkins was pretty negative he could have done more and won but this is just my opinion.

[brucelee]

Makes me laugh how people are saying in all different threads about how bad Pavlik performed or he was overrated look end of the day Hopkins deserves all the Positives here he fought a great fight he made Pavlik look bad he made Pavlik fight his fight lets not start taking this from Hopkins by saying Pavlik just weren't that good or he fought in straight lines or he was overrated. Hopkins made him fight in the style he did Hopkins turned back the clock for one more great performance look Pavlik got beat by the BETTER man lets not have sour grapes.

Isn't that the exactly the same thing you are doing when you say the the Hopkins that fought Calzaghe wasn't that good

No im saying that Hopkins that fought Calzaghe didn't fight as good as the one who fought Pavlik last night he was a lot better and anybody who thinks he didn't fight as good vs Calzaghe it was because Calzaghe didn't let him is deluded. He fought like a different fighter last night i myself was sat in my living room in shock he was a lot more fired up he forced the fight something he didn't really do vs Calzaghe and not because Calzaghe didn't let just because he didn't try to force it i thought vs Calzaghe Hopkins was pretty negative he could have done more and won but this is just my opinion.

Hopkins was excellent in that fight because Kelly lacks the experience to handle Hopkins' style. All in all, I give the credit to Hopkins for showing us a great fight.

[skel1983]

Makes me laugh how people are saying in all different threads about how bad Pavlik performed or he was overrated look end of the day Hopkins deserves all the Positives here he fought a great fight he made Pavlik look bad he made Pavlik fight his fight lets not start taking this from Hopkins by saying Pavlik just weren't that good or he fought in straight lines or he was overrated. Hopkins made him fight in the style he did Hopkins turned back the clock for one more great performance look Pavlik got beat by the BETTER man lets not have sour grapes.

Isn't that the exactly the same thing you are doing when you say the the Hopkins that fought Calzaghe wasn't that good

No im saying that Hopkins that fought Calzaghe didn't fight as good as the one who fought Pavlik last night he was a lot better and anybody who thinks he didn't fight as good vs Calzaghe it was because Calzaghe didn't let him is deluded. He fought like a different fighter last night i myself was sat in my living room in shock he was a lot more fired up he forced the fight something he didn't really do vs Calzaghe and not because Calzaghe didn't let just because he didn't try to force it i thought vs Calzaghe Hopkins was pretty negative he could have done more and won but this is just my opinion.

Deluded??

Mate Hopkins last night was dealing with a totally different proposistion, Pavlik just walked in straight lines very pedestrain aswell throwing absolutely nothing, Calzaghe makes you fight his fight, Calzaghe imposes himself on you by using great footwork and throwing punches from everywhere, i think you are deluded stulethat styles make fights exaclty as Hopkins pointed out at the end of the fight.

[BIG H]

The really good things is we actually know what happens if B-Hop fights JC, coz it did happen and JC won

[BIG H]

Listening to B-Hop talking to Pavlick after the fight, it was like an adult talking to a child, gotta say I really like Pavlick and have utmost repsect for Hopkins.

[Spicoli]

Indeed Styles make fights.It was obvious going into last night that Pavlik did not posses the over all gears in movement,hand speed/volume,guile and depth as Calzaghe.Calzaghe took a nip & tuck fight against Hopkins,victory well earned.You know Joe was sitting some where at the end last night and grinning ear to ear knowing what he earned and had shown vs. Hopkins.Imo,he'll repeat it vs. Jones Jr . But last night was all about Hopkins.

It was about a much younger ,undefeated,undisputed champion & proven power house in Pavlik going against one of the best overall ring tacticians and fighting minds over the last couple of decades.Pavlik was nullified from jump off and Hopkins mind set was clearly more focused and assertive from,he never gave A legitimate offensive threat the chance to get started...he could not sit back and try to pot shot and let Pav find momentum and confidence,no cutesy coasting .His ability to maintain,at the age and on weathered legs,and not fall into the mauling and pedestrian pace surprised me.Thought he would win it but I just did not think he had that much offense and over all command left.It truly was a great performance by a great fighter.Styles make fight's.... fighters exploit and counter styles.Need coffee

[Deanrw]

The biggest difference between Calzaghe/Hopkins and Pavlik/Hopkins is that Pavlik requires to be set when throwing punches, while Calzaghe throws punches regardless.

Calzaghe threw punches even when not set or out of range. he did not let Hopkins movement or countering deter him, which in itself, made Hopkins a bit hesitant.

Pavlik would not throw punches when off kilter. He seemed lost last night. Weight or anything had nothing to do with him losing. It was Hopkins movement and timing that got to him. He was reacting to Hopkins instead of making his own fight. Joe fell into Hopkins trap also, but not nearly as bad as Pavlik did.

It is strange really. I am not sure what Pavlik was expecting going into the fight.

[intoccabile]

Hopkins moved more, punched more, and clinched less last night.
Do the math - that means he WORKED more last night and for 12 rounds.

Against Calzaghe he punched less, moved less, clinched more,
and took breaks on low blows.. but was winded after the 7th round.

The OP is 100% correct in saying that hopkins was a different fighter last night.
His cardio was much better and he was 10x more active and worked 10x harder then
he did against cazlaghe. Calzaghe did nothing to wear him down or tire him out, but
he got tired... Last night he didn't.

I'll argue that he was better trained for the fight tonight than against Calzaghe.

[leftylee]

I haven't seen the fight as of yet because I couldn't stay up till 4AM and watch it as I was in work early this morning. No problem. Setanta Sports have a replay showing at 8PM. Little over an hour. I'm gonna tune in and can then comment on the fight. Seem like Pavlik got beat bad.

[ICB]

I haven't seen the fight as of yet because I couldn't stay up till 4AM and watch it as I was in work early this morning. No problem. Setanta Sports have a replay showing at 8PM. Little over an hour. I'm gonna tune in and can then comment on the fight. Seem like Pavlik got beat bad.

Mate it was shocking to see Bernard Hopkins handspeed was embarrassing Kelly Pavlik. And Kelly Pavlik didn't look like he had any fire in his belly IMO, he was fighting in slow motion and Bernard Hopkins superior movement made him look like a deer in the headlights.

[Fenster]

Hopkins moved more, punched more, and clinched less last night.
Do the math - that means he WORKED more last night and for 12 rounds.

Against Calzaghe he punched less, moved less, clinched more,
and took breaks on low blows.. but was winded after the 7th round.

The OP is 100% correct in saying that hopkins was a different fighter last night.
His cardio was much better and he was 10x more active and worked 10x harder then
he did against cazlaghe. Calzaghe did nothing to wear him down or tire him out, but
he got tired... Last night he didn't.

I'll argue that he was better trained for the fight tonight than against Calzaghe.

That's rubbish.. it can be equally claimed Calzaghe wasn't 100% against Hopkins due to looking better against numerous opponents in the past - YET still BEAT Hopkins. Fact.

Hopkins looked better against Pavlik, than he did Calzaghe, because Pavlik is a much LESSER fighter than Calzaghe. Simple as.

[Trainer Monkey]

Hopkins moved more, punched more, and clinched less last night.
Do the math - that means he WORKED more last night and for 12 rounds.

Against Calzaghe he punched less, moved less, clinched more,
and took breaks on low blows.. but was winded after the 7th round.

The OP is 100% correct in saying that hopkins was a different fighter last night.
His cardio was much better and he was 10x more active and worked 10x harder then
he did against cazlaghe. Calzaghe did nothing to wear him down or tire him out, but
he got tired... Last night he didn't.

I'll argue that he was better trained for the fight tonight than against Calzaghe.

That's rubbish.. it can be equally claimed Calzaghe wasn't 100% against Hopkins due to looking better against numerous opponents in the past - YET still BEAT Hopkins. Fact.

Hopkins looked better against Pavlik, than he did Calzaghe, because Pavlik is a much LESSER fighter than Calzaghe. Simple as.

No,not fact,almost all of Joes shots werent landing,biceps dont count for scoring.
And only 1 person hit the canvas
Hint
It wasnt Bernard

[Fenster]

Hopkins moved more, punched more, and clinched less last night.
Do the math - that means he WORKED more last night and for 12 rounds.

Against Calzaghe he punched less, moved less, clinched more,
and took breaks on low blows.. but was winded after the 7th round.

The OP is 100% correct in saying that hopkins was a different fighter last night.
His cardio was much better and he was 10x more active and worked 10x harder then
he did against cazlaghe. Calzaghe did nothing to wear him down or tire him out, but
he got tired... Last night he didn't.

I'll argue that he was better trained for the fight tonight than against Calzaghe.

That's rubbish.. it can be equally claimed Calzaghe wasn't 100% against Hopkins due to looking better against numerous opponents in the past - YET still BEAT Hopkins. Fact.

Hopkins looked better against Pavlik, than he did Calzaghe, because Pavlik is a much LESSER fighter than Calzaghe. Simple as.

No,not fact,almost all of Joes shots werent landing,biceps dont count for scoring.
And only 1 person hit the canvas
Hint
It wasnt Bernard

It is a FACT Calzaghe beat Hopkins. Fact.

Hopkins hit the canvas faking being punched in the balls when he couldn't handle the heat. Fact.

And you need glasses if you think most of Joes punches weren't landing. Fact.

[Trainer Monkey]

That's rubbish.. it can be equally claimed Calzaghe wasn't 100% against Hopkins due to looking better against numerous opponents in the past - YET still BEAT Hopkins. Fact.

Hopkins looked better against Pavlik, than he did Calzaghe, because Pavlik is a much LESSER fighter than Calzaghe. Simple as.

No,not fact,almost all of Joes shots werent landing,biceps dont count for scoring.
And only 1 person hit the canvas
Hint
It wasnt Bernard

It is a FACT Calzaghe beat Hopkins. Fact.

Hopkins hit the canvas faking being punched in the balls when he couldn't handle the heat. Fact.

Nope,not a fact

[intoccabile]

Hopkins moved more, punched more, and clinched less last night.
Do the math - that means he WORKED more last night and for 12 rounds.

Against Calzaghe he punched less, moved less, clinched more,
and took breaks on low blows.. but was winded after the 7th round.

The OP is 100% correct in saying that hopkins was a different fighter last night.
His cardio was much better and he was 10x more active and worked 10x harder then
he did against cazlaghe. Calzaghe did nothing to wear him down or tire him out, but
he got tired... Last night he didn't.

I'll argue that he was better trained for the fight tonight than against Calzaghe.

That's rubbish.. it can be equally claimed Calzaghe wasn't 100% against Hopkins due to looking better against numerous opponents in the past - YET still BEAT Hopkins. Fact.

Hopkins looked better against Pavlik, than he did Calzaghe, because Pavlik is a much LESSER fighter than Calzaghe. Simple as.

Don't be an idiot. Did you not read what I said?
I didn't say Pavlik made bhop look better thus hopkins wasnt 100% versus Calzaghe.
I said Hopkins worked much harder last night then against Calzaghe without getting tired,
so it can be argued that his Cardio was better last night than in the calzaghe fight.
Meaning he wasn't as prepared.

Hopkins MADE Calzaghe look that bad, get over it. He looked like an amateur because of hopkins style. By "your" logic, and Calzaghe not being 100% for not looking as stellar versus previous opponents - you'd STILL be wrong.

Because NO ONE has ever looked good against bhop, who's had a longer career, so Cal fits right in.

Anyway - I'll repeat.
Hopkins Did more moving, Threw more punching, Clinched less (had less breaks).
Meaning he fought a much more active fight and actually did it for 12 rounds last night.

Against Calzaghe Hopkins didn't Throw as man, CLINCHED ALOT (rest), Didn't move as much, And even took breaks on low blows, more rest. But Was TIRED after the 7th round.

Do you see the point I'm trying to make yet? Hopkins, cardio-wise, was a superior fighter last night than against Calzaghe.. which hints he was probably not as prepared. Had he fought calzaghe with the gas tank he had last night, it would have been a more active fight.