IMO Hopkins won back what he never really lost last night....

[Spicoli]

I got Pac as # 1 p4p on quality momentum and consistancy.Hopkins a much better all around fighter though.The man looked like he never left his prime last night.I really dislike p4p rankings....mind melts

[Kev]

I got Pac as # 1 p4p on quality momentum and consistancy.Hopkins a much better all around fighter though.The man looked like he never left his prime last night.I really dislike p4p rankings....mind melts

I don't know to be honest. I mean Hopkins is undoubtly more slippery than Manny and better defensively but he has nowhere near the offensive arsenal of Manny Pacquaio.

Hopkins has done superbly but Manny has blasted through p4p stars and all time greats.

It's not really correct to say that B Hop is better overall than Manny, technically more acomplished for sure but Manny has things that B Hop doesn't have.

Both are tremendous fighters.

[Spicoli]

I got Pac as # 1 p4p on quality momentum and consistency.Hopkins a much better all around fighter though.The man looked like he never left his prime last night.I really dislike p4p rankings....mind melts

I don't know to be honest. I mean Hopkins is undoubtedly more slippery than Manny and better defensively but he has nowhere near the offensive arsenal of Manny Pacquaio.

Hopkins has done superbly but Manny has blasted through p4p stars and all time greats.

It's not really correct to say that B Hop is better overall than Manny, technically more accomplished for sure but Manny has things that B Hop doesn't have.

Both are tremendous fighters.

Clarity on my part,for me in an all around p4p match up on skill set,Hopkins take's it.He displayed what a more diverse and quality defense mixed with precise punching is able to do against all out offensive minded arsenals.Granted Pavlik really never got on track but Hopkins had every thing to do with that.

You nailed it,they are both superb fighters, and posses quality's that the other does not.Pac has the mentality of a comer,he wants to impose & has total confidence in offense.Great bounce also,workrate.Bernard is different than his early day's,much more of a thinker,a defensive wiz,loves to exploit mistakes off the backfoot and Ive always thought he just likes to beat people up and prolong it while admiring his work....at times far too often,a bit content.

p4p discussions give me head aches,as you pointed out,Pac blasted through some quality top tier fighters,though fellow p4p'er Marquez held his own arguably.p4p now on consistency Manny #1.On Skills overall,prime for prime,Hopkins Imo.

[Kev]

I got Pac as # 1 p4p on quality momentum and consistency.Hopkins a much better all around fighter though.The man looked like he never left his prime last night.I really dislike p4p rankings....mind melts

I don't know to be honest. I mean Hopkins is undoubtedly more slippery than Manny and better defensively but he has nowhere near the offensive arsenal of Manny Pacquaio.

Hopkins has done superbly but Manny has blasted through p4p stars and all time greats.

It's not really correct to say that B Hop is better overall than Manny, technically more accomplished for sure but Manny has things that B Hop doesn't have.

Both are tremendous fighters.

Clarity on my part,for me in an all around p4p match up on skill set,Hopkins take's it.He displayed what a more diverse and quality defense mixed with precise punching is able to do against all out offensive minded arsenals.Granted Pavlik really never got on track but Hopkins had every thing to do with that.

You nailed it,they are both superb fighters, and posses quality's that the other does not.Pac has the mentality of a comer,he wants to impose & has total confidence in offense.Great bounce also,workrate.Bernard is different than his early day's,much more of a thinker,a defensive wiz,loves to exploit mistakes off the backfoot and Ive always thought he just likes to beat people up and prolong it while admiring his work....at times far too often,a bit content.

p4p discussions give me head aches,as you pointed out,Pac blasted through some quality top tier fighters,though fellow p4p'er Marquez held his own arguably.p4p now on consistency Manny #1.On Skills overall,prime for prime,Hopkins Imo.

I'm not sure who I'd favour in a mythical matchup between the two. I reckon if they were the same size Manny would win to be honest. Although struggled with Marquez (hardly a disgrace) he blew away all time greats in Morales and Barrera, fighters who were bigger than him. Hopkins has never KO'd a fighter on that level, Tito and Oscar were smaller.

Against great fighters his own size, Jones, Calzaghe, Taylor and Tarver he came up short 4 times out of 5 although some were controversial.

Certainly I don't think Manny is worse than B Hop, not as well schooled defensively certainly but he's one hell of a fighter and has beaten every great fighter he has ever faced, something even Hopkins, in Jones and Calzaghe failed to do.

[Spicoli]

I don't know to be honest. I mean Hopkins is undoubtedly more slippery than Manny and better defensively but he has nowhere near the offensive arsenal of Manny Pacquaio.

Hopkins has done superbly but Manny has blasted through p4p stars and all time greats.

It's not really correct to say that B Hop is better overall than Manny, technically more accomplished for sure but Manny has things that B Hop doesn't have.

Both are tremendous fighters.

Clarity on my part,for me in an all around p4p match up on skill set,Hopkins take's it.He displayed what a more diverse and quality defense mixed with precise punching is able to do against all out offensive minded arsenals.Granted Pavlik really never got on track but Hopkins had every thing to do with that.

You nailed it,they are both superb fighters, and posses quality's that the other does not.Pac has the mentality of a comer,he wants to impose & has total confidence in offense.Great bounce also,workrate.Bernard is different than his early day's,much more of a thinker,a defensive wiz,loves to exploit mistakes off the backfoot and Ive always thought he just likes to beat people up and prolong it while admiring his work....at times far too often,a bit content.

p4p discussions give me head aches,as you pointed out,Pac blasted through some quality top tier fighters,though fellow p4p'er Marquez held his own arguably.p4p now on consistency Manny #1.On Skills overall,prime for prime,Hopkins Imo.

I'm not sure who I'd favour in a mythical matchup between the two. I reckon if they were the same size Manny would win to be honest. Although struggled with Marquez (hardly a disgrace) he blew away all time greats in Morales and Barrera, fighters who were bigger than him. Hopkins has never KO'd a fighter on that level, Tito and Oscar were smaller.

Against great fighters his own size, Jones, Calzaghe, Taylor and Tarver he came up short 4 times out of 5 although some were controversial.

Certainly I don't think Manny is worse than B Hop, not as well schooled defensively certainly but he's one hell of a fighter and has beaten every great fighter he has ever faced, something even Hopkins, in Jones and Calzaghe failed to do.

Well,you won't get me to disparage Pac's accomplishment's but it's off of the Marquez fights that I see Hopkins upending Pac...In a mythical match up of course .He blew away Morales only after loosing the first fight.Tito may have been coming up but was capable at Middle and perceived to be a tremendous threat prior to the opening bell.No apology's on my behalf for Hopkins,He can be as frustrating to watch in spots as he is talented....Imo,He blew the first Taylor fight,That was where a Manny mentality would have come in handy down the stretch,10th & 11th rounds.He also lost to Calzaghe legit and was in deep wih an exploding on the scene Jones.Considering career point,Hopkins did mighty fine but came up short to a great lower (at the time) p4p talent in Jones.Jones won.Tell you what though,If they were to finally rematch based on last night and IF Jones takes Calzaghe......well, thats another thread entirely.

And Tarver a Great .......jk & I hear you Bilbo,Manny is a tremendous fighter,to each his own.I'll take Hopkins p4p though.