IMO Hopkins won back what he never really lost last night....

[Kev]

Let's not over exaggerate Hopkins' victory. Jermain Taylor BEAT Hopkins twice. RJJ is better P4P all-time than Hopkins, and the best P4P fighter right now is Manny Pacquiao with Bernard in second.

How is Bernard second? I love the Nard but he lost to Calzaghe when Joe moved up in weight to fight him so there is no grounds for putting B Hop above Joe now. If you think B Hop deserved to win the fight against Joe then you'll have to put Juan Manuel Marquez as p4p number 1 for beating Manny in the eyes of most.

My top 5

1. Pacquaio
2. Calzaghe
3. Marquez
4. Hopkins
5. Vazquez

Juan Manuel Marquez won in the eyes of most? Says who? Definitely on here that wasn't the case here or with the media. Pacquaio won that fight, and Hopkins won against Calzaghe. I think agree though that Marquez should be higher then Hopkins because of the simple fact he is better then Bernard... well more effective than Bernard.

Well I don't want to split hairs they were both close fights although if you create a poll I'm sure you'll find more people felt Marquez beat Manny than Bhop beat Calzaghe.


Anyway ultimately I don't care either way. This is a prime example of why you are such a douchebag though, you try and definitely claim that your opinion i.e Pacquaio beat Marquez, Spinks beat Taylor 'emphatically', Hopkins beat Calzaghe etc is correct and that everyone else is wrong.

In a close fight the scoring is subjective and sometimes there is no clear winner, it just depends on what the judges like best.

Your narrow mindedness coupled with your smarmy smartass tone makes you one of the more annoying posters here on Saddos

[ICB]

Taeth i have to disagree with you here majority of websites and ringside viewers, had JMM winning the 2nd fight. It was close enough that it could of gone either way, but i also thought JMM won by 1 point just like i thought he won by 1 point in the first fight.

• Most boxing experts had Marquez winning over Pacquiao:

- Associated Press:114-113 Marquez
- Joe Santoliquito:115-112 Marquez
- Dan Rafael, ESPN.com: 114-113 Marquez
- Darius Ortiz, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
- Eric Raskin, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
- Brian Kenny, Friday Night Fights:115-112 Marquez
- Scott Mallon, Ring Magazine / Boxing News / The Fist / Boxing Digest:114-113 Marquez
- Yahoo Sports:115-112 Marquez
- Fight News.com:115-112 Marquez
- Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review Journal: 114-113 Marquez
- Norm Fraunheim, Arizona Republic:114-113 Marquez
- Rich Marrotta, Top Rank TV:114-113 Marquez
- Kieran Mulvaney, Reuters:114-113 Marquez
- DogHouseBoxing:114-113 Marquez
- Brett Conway, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
- Rick Reeno, BoxingScene.com:114-113 Marquez
- Gary Randall, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
- Bart Barry, 15Rounds.com:115-113 Marquez
- Bruce McTavish, International Judge:115-112 Marquez
- Francis Ochoa, Philippine Daily Inquirer:114-113 Marquez
- Scott Christ, BadLeftHook.com:114-113 Marquez
- William Detloff, The Ring Magazine:115-113 Marquez
- Ron Borges, TheSweetScience.com:114-113 Marquez
- Bert Sugar:Marquez
- Max Kellerman & Bob Papa:Marquez in both fights
- Nonito Donaire:114-113 Marquez
- Filipino Sports Analysts Ronnie Nathanielsz, Recah Trinidad and Ed Picson all picked Marquez.

[Kev]

Taeth i have to disagree with you here majority of websites and ringside viewers, had JMM winning the 2nd fight. It was close enough that it could of gone either way, but i also thought JMM won by 1 point just like i thought he won by 1 point in the first fight.

• Most boxing experts had Marquez winning over Pacquiao:

- Associated Press:114-113 Marquez
- Joe Santoliquito:115-112 Marquez
- Dan Rafael, ESPN.com: 114-113 Marquez
- Darius Ortiz, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
- Eric Raskin, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
- Brian Kenny, Friday Night Fights:115-112 Marquez
- Scott Mallon, Ring Magazine / Boxing News / The Fist / Boxing Digest:114-113 Marquez
- Yahoo Sports:115-112 Marquez
- Fight News.com:115-112 Marquez
- Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review Journal: 114-113 Marquez
- Norm Fraunheim, Arizona Republic:114-113 Marquez
- Rich Marrotta, Top Rank TV:114-113 Marquez
- Kieran Mulvaney, Reuters:114-113 Marquez
- DogHouseBoxing:114-113 Marquez
- Brett Conway, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
- Rick Reeno, BoxingScene.com:114-113 Marquez
- Gary Randall, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
- Bart Barry, 15Rounds.com:115-113 Marquez
- Bruce McTavish, International Judge:115-112 Marquez
- Francis Ochoa, Philippine Daily Inquirer:114-113 Marquez
- Scott Christ, BadLeftHook.com:114-113 Marquez
- William Detloff, The Ring Magazine:115-113 Marquez
- Ron Borges, TheSweetScience.com:114-113 Marquez
- Bert Sugar:Marquez
- Max Kellerman & Bob Papa:Marquez in both fights
- Nonito Donaire:114-113 Marquez
- Filipino Sports Analysts Ronnie Nathanielsz, Recah Trinidad and Ed Picson all picked Marquez.

lol I love your obsessional nature and love of stats ICB

To be fair though Taeth watches over 100 fights a week so his opinion carries more weight than all the others

[LondonBB]

Taeth i have to disagree with you here majority of websites and ringside viewers, had JMM winning the 2nd fight. It was close enough that it could of gone either way, but i also thought JMM won by 1 point just like i thought he won by 1 point in the first fight.

• Most boxing experts had Marquez winning over Pacquiao:

- Associated Press:114-113 Marquez
- Joe Santoliquito:115-112 Marquez
- Dan Rafael, ESPN.com: 114-113 Marquez
- Darius Ortiz, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
- Eric Raskin, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
- Brian Kenny, Friday Night Fights:115-112 Marquez
- Scott Mallon, Ring Magazine / Boxing News / The Fist / Boxing Digest:114-113 Marquez
- Yahoo Sports:115-112 Marquez
- Fight News.com:115-112 Marquez
- Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review Journal: 114-113 Marquez
- Norm Fraunheim, Arizona Republic:114-113 Marquez
- Rich Marrotta, Top Rank TV:114-113 Marquez
- Kieran Mulvaney, Reuters:114-113 Marquez
- DogHouseBoxing:114-113 Marquez
- Brett Conway, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
- Rick Reeno, BoxingScene.com:114-113 Marquez
- Gary Randall, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
- Bart Barry, 15Rounds.com:115-113 Marquez
- Bruce McTavish, International Judge:115-112 Marquez
- Francis Ochoa, Philippine Daily Inquirer:114-113 Marquez
- Scott Christ, BadLeftHook.com:114-113 Marquez
- William Detloff, The Ring Magazine:115-113 Marquez
- Ron Borges, TheSweetScience.com:114-113 Marquez
- Bert Sugar:Marquez
- Max Kellerman & Bob Papa:Marquez in both fights
- Nonito Donaire:114-113 Marquez
- Filipino Sports Analysts Ronnie Nathanielsz, Recah Trinidad and Ed Picson all picked Marquez.

Cracking post to prove a point mate!

Id rep you if i could but i still dont know how to do it yet, please someone tell me how i can give green reps