Bernard Hopkins

[intoccabile]

That's rubbish.. it can be equally claimed Calzaghe wasn't 100% against Hopkins due to looking better against numerous opponents in the past - YET still BEAT Hopkins. Fact.

Hopkins looked better against Pavlik, than he did Calzaghe, because Pavlik is a much LESSER fighter than Calzaghe. Simple as.

Don't be an idiot. Did you not read what I said?
I didn't say Pavlik made bhop look better thus hopkins wasnt 100% versus Calzaghe.
I said Hopkins worked much harder last night then against Calzaghe without getting tired,
so it can be argued that his Cardio was better last night than in the calzaghe fight.
Meaning he wasn't as prepared.

Hopkins MADE Calzaghe look that bad, get over it. He looked like an amateur because of hopkins style. By "your" logic, and Calzaghe not being 100% for not looking as stellar versus previous opponents - you'd STILL be wrong.

Because NO ONE has ever looked good against bhop, who's had a longer career, so Cal fits right in.

Anyway - I'll repeat.
Hopkins Did more moving, Threw more punching, Clinched less (had less breaks).
Meaning he fought a much more active fight and actually did it for 12 rounds last night.

Against Calzaghe Hopkins didn't Throw as man, CLINCHED ALOT (rest), Didn't move as much, And even took breaks on low blows, more rest. But Was TIRED after the 7th round.

Do you see the point I'm trying to make yet? Hopkins, cardio-wise, was a superior fighter last night than against Calzaghe.. which hints he was probably not as prepared. Had he fought calzaghe with the gas tank he had last night, it would have been a more active fight.

Hopkins was in better shape for Pavlik than when he fought Calzaghe?

That explains why he totally outclassed and controlled a limited slow guy that didn't have the ability to hit him.. yet couldn't stay with a guy that constantly pressured him, throwing a million punches from all over the place.

Yeah.. I get ya. That makes perfect sense.

You really are an idiot, aren't you?
Calzaghe threw a zillion slaps and hardly any landed. Hopkins offense wasn't as active against Calzaghe, he didn't move as much as he did last night, he had more rests inside the clinch with calzaghe, and he even had time inbetween low blow counts to take a rest.

Last night he was more offensive, he moved more, he clinched less meaning he had less breaks and there were no time outs for low blows.

He did this for 12 rounds last night. for 12 rounds he exherted more energy than he did in the calzaghe fight, but was tired in 7 against calzaghe. What don't you understand?
Can someone with a brain reply to me please? I'm done.

Here.. i'll make this easy for you.
I JOG tomorrow and can only do a mile.
then RUN next week and can do 2 miles.

When was I in better shape?

[Fenster]

Don't be an idiot. Did you not read what I said?
I didn't say Pavlik made bhop look better thus hopkins wasnt 100% versus Calzaghe.
I said Hopkins worked much harder last night then against Calzaghe without getting tired,
so it can be argued that his Cardio was better last night than in the calzaghe fight.
Meaning he wasn't as prepared.

Hopkins MADE Calzaghe look that bad, get over it. He looked like an amateur because of hopkins style. By "your" logic, and Calzaghe not being 100% for not looking as stellar versus previous opponents - you'd STILL be wrong.

Because NO ONE has ever looked good against bhop, who's had a longer career, so Cal fits right in.

Anyway - I'll repeat.
Hopkins Did more moving, Threw more punching, Clinched less (had less breaks).
Meaning he fought a much more active fight and actually did it for 12 rounds last night.

Against Calzaghe Hopkins didn't Throw as man, CLINCHED ALOT (rest), Didn't move as much, And even took breaks on low blows, more rest. But Was TIRED after the 7th round.

Do you see the point I'm trying to make yet? Hopkins, cardio-wise, was a superior fighter last night than against Calzaghe.. which hints he was probably not as prepared. Had he fought calzaghe with the gas tank he had last night, it would have been a more active fight.

Hopkins was in better shape for Pavlik than when he fought Calzaghe?

That explains why he totally outclassed and controlled a limited slow guy that didn't have the ability to hit him.. yet couldn't stay with a guy that constantly pressured him, throwing a million punches from all over the place.

Yeah.. I get ya. That makes perfect sense.

You really are an idiot, aren't you?
Calzaghe threw a zillion slaps and hardly any landed. Hopkins offense wasn't as active against Calzaghe, he didn't move as much as he did last night, he had more rests inside the clinch with calzaghe, and he even had time inbetween low blow counts to take a rest.

Last night he was more offensive, he moved more, he clinched less meaning he had less breaks and there were no time outs for low blows.

He did this for 12 rounds last night. for 12 rounds he exherted more energy than he did in the calzaghe fight, but was tired in 7 against calzaghe. What don't you understand?
Can someone with a brain reply to me please? I'm done.

Here.. i'll make this easy for you.
I JOG tomorrow and can only do a mile.
then RUN next week and can do 2 miles.

When was I in better shape?

No, you're right mate, Hopkins LOST to Calzaghe because he wasn't in shape. Thrashing the limited Pavlik clearly proves this.

Thanks.. i get it now.

[Tysonbruno]

Don't be an idiot. Did you not read what I said?
I didn't say Pavlik made bhop look better thus hopkins wasnt 100% versus Calzaghe.
I said Hopkins worked much harder last night then against Calzaghe without getting tired,
so it can be argued that his Cardio was better last night than in the calzaghe fight.
Meaning he wasn't as prepared.

Hopkins MADE Calzaghe look that bad, get over it. He looked like an amateur because of hopkins style. By "your" logic, and Calzaghe not being 100% for not looking as stellar versus previous opponents - you'd STILL be wrong.

Because NO ONE has ever looked good against bhop, who's had a longer career, so Cal fits right in.

Anyway - I'll repeat.
Hopkins Did more moving, Threw more punching, Clinched less (had less breaks).
Meaning he fought a much more active fight and actually did it for 12 rounds last night.

Against Calzaghe Hopkins didn't Throw as man, CLINCHED ALOT (rest), Didn't move as much, And even took breaks on low blows, more rest. But Was TIRED after the 7th round.

Do you see the point I'm trying to make yet? Hopkins, cardio-wise, was a superior fighter last night than against Calzaghe.. which hints he was probably not as prepared. Had he fought calzaghe with the gas tank he had last night, it would have been a more active fight.

Hopkins was in better shape for Pavlik than when he fought Calzaghe?

That explains why he totally outclassed and controlled a limited slow guy that didn't have the ability to hit him.. yet couldn't stay with a guy that constantly pressured him, throwing a million punches from all over the place.

Yeah.. I get ya. That makes perfect sense.

You really are an idiot, aren't you?
Calzaghe threw a zillion slaps and hardly any landed. Hopkins offense wasn't as active against Calzaghe, he didn't move as much as he did last night, he had more rests inside the clinch with calzaghe, and he even had time inbetween low blow counts to take a rest.

Last night he was more offensive, he moved more, he clinched less meaning he had less breaks and there were no time outs for low blows.

He did this for 12 rounds last night. for 12 rounds he exherted more energy than he did in the calzaghe fight, but was tired in 7 against calzaghe. What don't you understand?
Can someone with a brain reply to me please? I'm done.

Here.. i'll make this easy for you.
I JOG tomorrow and can only do a mile.
then RUN next week and can do 2 miles.

When was I in better shape?

Mate your views are wasted on here if you have something negative to say about Calzaghe this is a bit of a Calzaghe fan club site LOL i personally hate the guy and regarding your comments about Hopkins i totally agree.

[intoccabile]

Hopkins was in better shape for Pavlik than when he fought Calzaghe?

That explains why he totally outclassed and controlled a limited slow guy that didn't have the ability to hit him.. yet couldn't stay with a guy that constantly pressured him, throwing a million punches from all over the place.

Yeah.. I get ya. That makes perfect sense.

You really are an idiot, aren't you?
Calzaghe threw a zillion slaps and hardly any landed. Hopkins offense wasn't as active against Calzaghe, he didn't move as much as he did last night, he had more rests inside the clinch with calzaghe, and he even had time inbetween low blow counts to take a rest.

Last night he was more offensive, he moved more, he clinched less meaning he had less breaks and there were no time outs for low blows.

He did this for 12 rounds last night. for 12 rounds he exherted more energy than he did in the calzaghe fight, but was tired in 7 against calzaghe. What don't you understand?
Can someone with a brain reply to me please? I'm done.

Here.. i'll make this easy for you.
I JOG tomorrow and can only do a mile.
then RUN next week and can do 2 miles.

When was I in better shape?

Mate your views are wasted on here if you have something negative to say about Calzaghe this is a bit of a Calzaghe fan club site LOL i personally hate the guy and regarding your comments about Hopkins i totally agree.

Yeah bro, I see that now. Jesus. Some people are just set on their ways I guess.

[Tysonbruno]

Calzaghe was avoiding Pavlik according to most on here myself included and Pavlik was the man to beat Calzaghe. Pavlik beat a slick boxer in Jermain Taylor twice he demolished Edison Miranda he was on great form he was going to fight Hopkins he was going to KO him in most people's opinions or at least UD12. Hopkins puts on a masterclass makes Pavlik fight his fight constantly changing his angles putting shots together in 3's and 4's. But now Hopkins as beat him Pavlik is one dimensional he is overrated only fights in straight lines even though he cut the ring off very well in many of his other fights some of you guys make me laugh your opinions change in a heart beat. Rather than giving Hopkins the respect he deserves for 1. taking this fight in the first place and 2. beating this kid easy. But no Hopkins doesn't get the respect now it Calzaghe would have beat him easy and it makes Calzaghe's win look even better over Hopkins HOW? he only beat him on a debatable SD12 however you look at it.

[intoccabile]

Calzaghe was avoiding Pavlik according to most on here myself included and Pavlik was the man to beat Calzaghe. Pavlik beat a slick boxer in Jermain Taylor twice he demolished Edison Miranda he was on great form he was going to fight Hopkins he was going to KO him in most people's opinions or at least UD12. Hopkins puts on a masterclass makes Pavlik fight his fight constantly changing his angles putting shots together in 3's and 4's. But now Hopkins as beat him Pavlik is one dimensional he is overrated only fights in straight lines even though he cut the ring off very well in many of his other fights some of you guys make me laugh your opinions change in a heart beat. Rather than giving Hopkins the respect he deserves for 1. taking this fight in the first place and 2. beating this kid easy. But no Hopkins doesn't get the respect now it Calzaghe would have beat him easy and it makes Calzaghe's win look even better over Hopkins HOW? he only beat him on a debatable SD12 however you look at it.

Because people are funny, I guess.
Vernon beats Mosely, Tarver beats Roy, etc etc.

Does that mean Tarver is a God now for Beating Roy when all those
other guys couldn't? No. So I don't see why suddenly when Bhop does something
then all credit is given to the guy who beat HIM. I think this board just has far too many Calzaghe fanboys.

[The Fightfan]

Don't be an idiot. Did you not read what I said?
I didn't say Pavlik made bhop look better thus hopkins wasnt 100% versus Calzaghe.
I said Hopkins worked much harder last night then against Calzaghe without getting tired,
so it can be argued that his Cardio was better last night than in the calzaghe fight.
Meaning he wasn't as prepared.

Hopkins MADE Calzaghe look that bad, get over it. He looked like an amateur because of hopkins style. By "your" logic, and Calzaghe not being 100% for not looking as stellar versus previous opponents - you'd STILL be wrong.

Because NO ONE has ever looked good against bhop, who's had a longer career, so Cal fits right in.

Anyway - I'll repeat.
Hopkins Did more moving, Threw more punching, Clinched less (had less breaks).
Meaning he fought a much more active fight and actually did it for 12 rounds last night.

Against Calzaghe Hopkins didn't Throw as man, CLINCHED ALOT (rest), Didn't move as much, And even took breaks on low blows, more rest. But Was TIRED after the 7th round.

Do you see the point I'm trying to make yet? Hopkins, cardio-wise, was a superior fighter last night than against Calzaghe.. which hints he was probably not as prepared. Had he fought calzaghe with the gas tank he had last night, it would have been a more active fight.

Hopkins was in better shape for Pavlik than when he fought Calzaghe?

That explains why he totally outclassed and controlled a limited slow guy that didn't have the ability to hit him.. yet couldn't stay with a guy that constantly pressured him, throwing a million punches from all over the place.

Yeah.. I get ya. That makes perfect sense.

You really are an idiot, aren't you?
Calzaghe threw a zillion slaps and hardly any landed. Hopkins offense wasn't as active against Calzaghe, he didn't move as much as he did last night, he had more rests inside the clinch with calzaghe, and he even had time inbetween low blow counts to take a rest.

Last night he was more offensive, he moved more, he clinched less meaning he had less breaks and there were no time outs for low blows.

He did this for 12 rounds last night. for 12 rounds he exherted more energy than he did in the calzaghe fight, but was tired in 7 against calzaghe. What don't you understand?
Can someone with a brain reply to me please? I'm done.

Here.. i'll make this easy for you.
I JOG tomorrow and can only do a mile.
then RUN next week and can do 2 miles.

When was I in better shape?

I agree with you B-Hop seemed in much better condition against Pavlik. Hence the reason more punches were thrown against Pavlik. Simple

[richard (mossley)]

Hopkins was in better shape for Pavlik than when he fought Calzaghe?

That explains why he totally outclassed and controlled a limited slow guy that didn't have the ability to hit him.. yet couldn't stay with a guy that constantly pressured him, throwing a million punches from all over the place.

Yeah.. I get ya. That makes perfect sense.

You really are an idiot, aren't you?
Calzaghe threw a zillion slaps and hardly any landed. Hopkins offense wasn't as active against Calzaghe, he didn't move as much as he did last night, he had more rests inside the clinch with calzaghe, and he even had time inbetween low blow counts to take a rest.

Last night he was more offensive, he moved more, he clinched less meaning he had less breaks and there were no time outs for low blows.

He did this for 12 rounds last night. for 12 rounds he exherted more energy than he did in the calzaghe fight, but was tired in 7 against calzaghe. What don't you understand?
Can someone with a brain reply to me please? I'm done.

Here.. i'll make this easy for you.
I JOG tomorrow and can only do a mile.
then RUN next week and can do 2 miles.

When was I in better shape?

I agree with you B-Hop seemed in much better condition against Pavlik. Hence the reason more punches were thrown against Pavlik. Simple

Hopkins was in equally good condition against Calzaghe.

He landed more punches against Pavlik, because (i) Calzaghe skill/workrate would not allow Hopkins to work and (ii) Pavliks defense was shocking.

[Fenster]

I think Hopkins being in better shape is a solid argument for his quality showing against Pavlik compared with the lacklustre one against Calzaghe.

There's lots of examples of this in boxing..

Ricky Hatton was clearly in far better shape when he beat Lazcano last time than when he got schooled by Floyd. Proof of this is - he landed 63 of 372 punches in 10 rounds against Floyd, whereas through just six rounds against Lazcano, he landed 124 of 342.

This is conclusive proof Hatton's output was far more intense and successful. It has NOTHING to do with the far superior Mayweather stopping Hatton's game. Therefore a fitter Hatton, the one of the Lazcano fight, should have a great chance of reversing the loss to Floyd. Fact.

[Kev]

I think Hopkins being in better shape is a solid argument for his quality showing against Pavlik compared with the lacklustre one against Calzaghe.

There's lots of examples of this in boxing..

Ricky Hatton was clearly in far better shape when he beat Lazcano last time than when he got schooled by Floyd. Proof of this is - he landed 63 of 372 punches in 10 rounds against Floyd, whereas through just six rounds against Lazcano, he landed 124 of 342.

This is conclusive proof Hatton's output was far more intense and successful. It has NOTHING to do with the far superior Mayweather stopping Hatton's game. Therefore a fitter Hatton, the one of the Lazcano fight, should have a great chance of reversing the loss to Floyd. Fact.

And let's not forget the ass whupping Amir Khan put on Graham Earl. On that night he could have ktfo Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez on the same night imo, he was spectacular.

[Fenster]

I think Hopkins being in better shape is a solid argument for his quality showing against Pavlik compared with the lacklustre one against Calzaghe.

There's lots of examples of this in boxing..

Ricky Hatton was clearly in far better shape when he beat Lazcano last time than when he got schooled by Floyd. Proof of this is - he landed 63 of 372 punches in 10 rounds against Floyd, whereas through just six rounds against Lazcano, he landed 124 of 342.

This is conclusive proof Hatton's output was far more intense and successful. It has NOTHING to do with the far superior Mayweather stopping Hatton's game. Therefore a fitter Hatton, the one of the Lazcano fight, should have a great chance of reversing the loss to Floyd. Fact.

And let's not forget the ass whupping Amir Khan put on Graham Earl. On that night he could have ktfo Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez on the same night imo, he was spectacular.

Unquestionably a fact. Fact.

[Spicoli]

I think Hopkins being in better shape is a solid argument for his quality showing against Pavlik compared with the lacklustre one against Calzaghe.

There's lots of examples of this in boxing..

Ricky Hatton was clearly in far better shape when he beat Lazcano last time than when he got schooled by Floyd. Proof of this is - he landed 63 of 372 punches in 10 rounds against Floyd, whereas through just six rounds against Lazcano, he landed 124 of 342.

This is conclusive proof Hatton's output was far more intense and successful. It has NOTHING to do with the far superior, Mayweather, stopping Hatton's game. Therefore a fitter Hatton, the one of the Lazcano fight, should have a great chance of reversing the loss to Floyd. Fact.

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[Fenster]

I think Hopkins being in better shape is a solid argument for his quality showing against Pavlik compared with the lacklustre one against Calzaghe.

There's lots of examples of this in boxing..

Ricky Hatton was clearly in far better shape when he beat Lazcano last time than when he got schooled by Floyd. Proof of this is - he landed 63 of 372 punches in 10 rounds against Floyd, whereas through just six rounds against Lazcano, he landed 124 of 342.

This is conclusive proof Hatton's output was far more intense and successful. It has NOTHING to do with the far superior, Mayweather, stopping Hatton's game. Therefore a fitter Hatton, the one of the Lazcano fight, should have a great chance of reversing the loss to Floyd. Fact.

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I have no idea what that means?

[Kev]

I think Hopkins being in better shape is a solid argument for his quality showing against Pavlik compared with the lacklustre one against Calzaghe.

There's lots of examples of this in boxing..

Ricky Hatton was clearly in far better shape when he beat Lazcano last time than when he got schooled by Floyd. Proof of this is - he landed 63 of 372 punches in 10 rounds against Floyd, whereas through just six rounds against Lazcano, he landed 124 of 342.

This is conclusive proof Hatton's output was far more intense and successful. It has NOTHING to do with the far superior, Mayweather, stopping Hatton's game. Therefore a fitter Hatton, the one of the Lazcano fight, should have a great chance of reversing the loss to Floyd. Fact.

.......messy keyboard

I have no idea what that means?

I took it to mean he found your post so funny he spunked all over his computer

[Bomp]

I think Hopkins being in better shape is a solid argument for his quality showing against Pavlik compared with the lacklustre one against Calzaghe.

There's lots of examples of this in boxing..

Ricky Hatton was clearly in far better shape when he beat Lazcano last time than when he got schooled by Floyd. Proof of this is - he landed 63 of 372 punches in 10 rounds against Floyd, whereas through just six rounds against Lazcano, he landed 124 of 342.

This is conclusive proof Hatton's output was far more intense and successful. It has NOTHING to do with the far superior Mayweather stopping Hatton's game. Therefore a fitter Hatton, the one of the Lazcano fight, should have a great chance of reversing the loss to Floyd. Fact.

It is also a FACT that Joe is the worst fighter to have ever laced up the gloves, I'm not talking about worst of the unbeaten champs, he's actually down there with 'mullet boxer'.

His 45-0 run is purely fraudulent since every single fighter he's faced had a severe off day. It is no coincidence either, Enzo practices voodoo and drains the energy of Joe's opponents with his magic tricks the day before each fight, it's all an elaborate sham. In fact, Enzo was so pissed at Jack Loew for his comments about his son that he did the same voodoo shit on Kelly last weekend. He would have done it for the Lockett fight, but he knew that would seem so ridiculous (Pavlik losing to little Gary) that his cover might be blown.