Is Pavlik overrated ???

[Fenster]

He has been overrated by many BUT lost to a great fighter.. so no disgrace in that.

With his style he was always going to lose sooner rather than later.

[Kev]

To me the only people who are overratting him are those who try and say he is shit and overatted.

I think most fans can see Kelly for what he is, a big strong, exciting kid with an all action style but who is raw.

Nobody has proclaimed him to be an all time great, he's just an exciting fighter who has scored dominant wins over Edison Miranda and Jermain Taylor.

He wasn't ready for Bernard Hopkins but no shame in that, he's only 26.

I don't understand all the hate that comes a fighters way when they lose, almost as if they had evily deceived the public and fans into thinking they were better than they were.

He's a great fighter to watch, I love his story and the fact that he's just a humble working class kid and he can punch.

Why do people have to act like him losing is vindication for them as if he's some kind of fraudster or conman?

I don't understand the mindsets of fanyboys which is I why I mostly stick to making random posts on the hidden board.

[p4pking]

He has been overrated by many BUT lost to a great fighter.. so no disgrace in that.

With his style he was always going to lose sooner rather than later.

I think he would've been pretty safe to reign at Middleweight for a good while without his hype dying down, but of course your not wrong about his style. There's probably a good five people I'd pick to beat him at 68 now without even mentioning Calzaghe or Hopkins. Someone else said it, but you have to wonder what the hell Pavlik was expecting to happen in there, he looked like he'd never seen lateral movement in his life.

[southakron314]

I would say as a middle weight Pavlik is not overrated but as a light heavy weight he is. Pavlik has looked bad in both fights that are at a high catch weight. Hopkins looked alot faster , stronger , and full of stamina that I have scene him since his mid 30's. He was not tired. He was busy and he was landing bombs. Pavlik has a great chin. I will say his chin is very good after seeing him take that many shots. He needs to get down and defend for years at 160. He also needs more help than what Jack Loew can give him.

[Fenster]

He has been overrated by many BUT lost to a great fighter.. so no disgrace in that.

With his style he was always going to lose sooner rather than later.

I think he would've been pretty safe to reign at Middleweight for a good while without his hype dying down, but of course your not wrong about his style. There's probably a good five people I'd pick to beat him at 68 now without even mentioning Calzaghe or Hopkins. Someone else said it, but you have to wonder what the hell Pavlik was expecting to happen in there, he looked like he'd never seen lateral movement in his life.

I think you're right although he and Abraham is 50/50 (i slightly favour Abraham.. did so before the Hopkins fight) but agree he will be best suited to stay at middleweight for a good while.

He now has the problem of getting over the Hopkins thrashing too.. i expect he will be brought back with Duddy types.

[awdleyfuturehalloffamer]

For some reason pavlik had no speed at all last night. He was slow slow, hopkins could see every punch coming from a mile away. Pavlik was even speed against taylor, but hopkins was way quicker in this fight.

[southakron314]

For some reason pavlik had no speed at all last night. He was slow slow, hopkins could see every punch coming from a mile away. Pavlik was even speed against taylor, but hopkins was way quicker in this fight.

Hopkins looked like the old Hopkins. Pavlik 10 extra pounds looks alot slower at 170 than 160.

[THE THIRD MAN]

All credit must go to Hopkins who fought a near perfect fight, Pavlik was tight and the extra pounds did not help him, it's back to Middleweight Kelly for at least 2 years, super middle at maximum or face another humiliating defeat.
Pavlik was never in this fight from the beginning and was well schooled by the aging warrior in Bernard Hopkins. Pavlik V Abraham is still an attractive fight IMO.

[brucelee]

I give all the credit to Hopkins. Pavlik was mentally distracted coz he was not expecting that Hopkins could move so fast and so accurate.