IMO Hopkins won back what he never really lost last night....

[Kev]

Taeth i have to disagree with you here majority of websites and ringside viewers, had JMM winning the 2nd fight. It was close enough that it could of gone either way, but i also thought JMM won by 1 point just like i thought he won by 1 point in the first fight.

• Most boxing experts had Marquez winning over Pacquiao:

- Associated Press:114-113 Marquez
- Joe Santoliquito:115-112 Marquez
- Dan Rafael, ESPN.com: 114-113 Marquez
- Darius Ortiz, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
- Eric Raskin, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
- Brian Kenny, Friday Night Fights:115-112 Marquez
- Scott Mallon, Ring Magazine / Boxing News / The Fist / Boxing Digest:114-113 Marquez
- Yahoo Sports:115-112 Marquez
- Fight News.com:115-112 Marquez
- Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review Journal: 114-113 Marquez
- Norm Fraunheim, Arizona Republic:114-113 Marquez
- Rich Marrotta, Top Rank TV:114-113 Marquez
- Kieran Mulvaney, Reuters:114-113 Marquez
- DogHouseBoxing:114-113 Marquez
- Brett Conway, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
- Rick Reeno, BoxingScene.com:114-113 Marquez
- Gary Randall, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
- Bart Barry, 15Rounds.com:115-113 Marquez
- Bruce McTavish, International Judge:115-112 Marquez
- Francis Ochoa, Philippine Daily Inquirer:114-113 Marquez
- Scott Christ, BadLeftHook.com:114-113 Marquez
- William Detloff, The Ring Magazine:115-113 Marquez
- Ron Borges, TheSweetScience.com:114-113 Marquez
- Bert Sugar:Marquez
- Max Kellerman & Bob Papa:Marquez in both fights
- Nonito Donaire:114-113 Marquez
- Filipino Sports Analysts Ronnie Nathanielsz, Recah Trinidad and Ed Picson all picked Marquez.

lol I love your obsessional nature and love of stats ICB

To be fair though Taeth watches over 100 fights a week so his opinion carries more weight than all the others

[OumaFan]

Let's not over exaggerate Hopkins' victory. Jermain Taylor BEAT Hopkins twice. RJJ is better P4P all-time than Hopkins, and the best P4P fighter right now is Manny Pacquiao with Bernard in second.

umm well most people i know would disagree that Taylor won either one of those fights, at best Taylor deserved a draw for the first fight and clearly lost the second fight, RJJ was more talented in the way he would win when he was at lightheavy, but on level of competition no, B-Hop has beaten more talented fighters while they are in their prime and he's far away from his, than RJJ has

You're the first person I've heard say this? The controversy has always been around the first fight (which I still thought Jermain won). The second fight was close but no doubt that Jermain deserved to win it in my opinion.

For me it was close going into the final round but Taylor won the 12th round in the second fight hands down.

You're the first person I've heard say that Taylor clearly lost the second fight.

A lot of people thought Hopkins won the second fight.

[SweetPea]

I thought Taylor narrowly beat Hopkins both times. We can applaud Hopkins' accomplishments without discrediting Taylor's victories.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Let's not over exaggerate Hopkins' victory. Jermain Taylor BEAT Hopkins twice. RJJ is better P4P all-time than Hopkins, and the best P4P fighter right now is Manny Pacquiao with Bernard in second.

umm well most people i know would disagree that Taylor won either one of those fights, at best Taylor deserved a draw for the first fight and clearly lost the second fight, RJJ was more talented in the way he would win when he was at lightheavy, but on level of competition no, B-Hop has beaten more talented fighters while they are in their prime and he's far away from his, than RJJ has

A young 24 year old RJJ with only one hand schooled a mature 28 year old Hopkins. That win is probably better than any of Hopkins' wins and then a year later he took apart p4p no.1 James Toney with ease. Another that for me Hopkins has never matched. I also wouldn't fancy Hopkins' chances against Ruiz. He is clearly better p4p but in an actual matchup my money would be on Ruiz. People quite often underrate Jones' opposition.

no doubt that Jones has had great opposition but the number of quality opponents isn't as high as Hopkins, yes Jones beat a 28 yr old Hopkins, but it's also well known that B-Hop as he proved on Saturday, only seems to get better with age, i've always felt that since Hopkins beat Tito back in 2001 that if he was given the chance at a rematch with Jones that he would have either taken him to the limit unlike ever opponent besides Tarver, or he would have beaten him, and in this point in time i don't think RJJ can beat B-Hop

[Tito BHB]

when Roy Jones was TKO'd by Tarver, B-Hop moved ahead on the p4p list, he was the p4p champion up to 2005 when he was robbed twice again Taylor, and the the title of p4p champion went to Mayweather, and now Pacquiao, IMO B-Hop is once again the p4p best fighter in the world, on the grounds that his dominant win against prime fighter 17 yrs younger than him, has been a hell of a lot more impressive than any win that Pacquiao has had of late, also just look at the competition B-Hop has had, he still has been pretty much on the same winning streak he was on since he back p4p best, only "losses" should have been wins (both Taylor fights and Calzaghe)

I agree totally.

But it is unfortunate how to some people bernards record will not tell the whole story, unless someone tells them how he was robbed.

[Markusdarkus]

when Roy Jones was TKO'd by Tarver, B-Hop moved ahead on the p4p list, he was the p4p champion up to 2005 when he was robbed twice again Taylor, and the the title of p4p champion went to Mayweather, and now Pacquiao, IMO B-Hop is once again the p4p best fighter in the world, on the grounds that his dominant win against prime fighter 17 yrs younger than him, has been a hell of a lot more impressive than any win that Pacquiao has had of late, also just look at the competition B-Hop has had, he still has been pretty much on the same winning streak he was on since he back p4p best, only "losses" should have been wins (both Taylor fights and Calzaghe)

Im sick of this he was jobbed against Taylor and Calzaghe.

Taylor clearly won the first fight and Calzaghe clearly won.

[Tysonbruno]

when Roy Jones was TKO'd by Tarver, B-Hop moved ahead on the p4p list, he was the p4p champion up to 2005 when he was robbed twice again Taylor, and the the title of p4p champion went to Mayweather, and now Pacquiao, IMO B-Hop is once again the p4p best fighter in the world, on the grounds that his dominant win against prime fighter 17 yrs younger than him, has been a hell of a lot more impressive than any win that Pacquiao has had of late, also just look at the competition B-Hop has had, he still has been pretty much on the same winning streak he was on since he back p4p best, only "losses" should have been wins (both Taylor fights and Calzaghe)

Im sick of this he was jobbed against Taylor and Calzaghe.

Taylor clearly won the first fight and Calzaghe clearly won.

Calzaghe clearly won no he didn't

[GAME]

when Roy Jones was TKO'd by Tarver, B-Hop moved ahead on the p4p list, he was the p4p champion up to 2005 when he was robbed twice again Taylor, and the the title of p4p champion went to Mayweather, and now Pacquiao, IMO B-Hop is once again the p4p best fighter in the world, on the grounds that his dominant win against prime fighter 17 yrs younger than him, has been a hell of a lot more impressive than any win that Pacquiao has had of late, also just look at the competition B-Hop has had, he still has been pretty much on the same winning streak he was on since he back p4p best, only "losses" should have been wins (both Taylor fights and Calzaghe)

Im sick of this he was jobbed against Taylor and Calzaghe.

Taylor clearly won the first fight and Calzaghe clearly won.

Calzaghe clearly won no he didn't

If Hopkins got the decison there wouldnt have been any argument . Hopkins has never really been beaten in the true sense of the word ever since he fought a prime Roy Jones

[Tysonbruno]

Calzaghe's face said it all when scores were read he thought he had lost he was surprised when he was announced the winner.

[Markusdarkus]

when Roy Jones was TKO'd by Tarver, B-Hop moved ahead on the p4p list, he was the p4p champion up to 2005 when he was robbed twice again Taylor, and the the title of p4p champion went to Mayweather, and now Pacquiao, IMO B-Hop is once again the p4p best fighter in the world, on the grounds that his dominant win against prime fighter 17 yrs younger than him, has been a hell of a lot more impressive than any win that Pacquiao has had of late, also just look at the competition B-Hop has had, he still has been pretty much on the same winning streak he was on since he back p4p best, only "losses" should have been wins (both Taylor fights and Calzaghe)

Im sick of this he was jobbed against Taylor and Calzaghe.

Taylor clearly won the first fight and Calzaghe clearly won.

Calzaghe clearly won no he didn't

Of course he won he landed double and had Hopkins badly hurt in the 11th.

[Tysonbruno]

Im sick of this he was jobbed against Taylor and Calzaghe.

Taylor clearly won the first fight and Calzaghe clearly won.

Calzaghe clearly won no he didn't

Of course he won he landed double and had Hopkins badly hurt in the 11th.

Hopkin had Calzaghe down in the 1st round Calzaghe threw pitter patter shots like a kitten pawing away at a ball Hopkins landed heavy solid shots no slaps im sure you are Joe Calzaghe come on Joe come out of the closet.

[RozzySean]

Im sick of this he was jobbed against Taylor and Calzaghe.

Taylor clearly won the first fight and Calzaghe clearly won.

Calzaghe clearly won no he didn't

Of course he won he landed double and had Hopkins badly hurt in the 11th.

He never had Hopkins hurt. Sure he "landed" double...according to compubox, but he landed very few clean, effective shots. Hopkins landed far more clean, effective shot, but Calzaghe threw so many more it was hard to tell. It was a very close fight, and you can certainly make a legit case for Hopkins.

[Markusdarkus]

Calzaghe clearly won no he didn't

Of course he won he landed double and had Hopkins badly hurt in the 11th.

He never had Hopkins hurt. Sure he "landed" double...according to compubox, but he landed very few clean, effective shots. Hopkins landed far more clean, effective shot, but Calzaghe threw so many more it was hard to tell. It was a very close fight, and you can certainly make a legit case for Hopkins.

You need to watch rd 11 when Hopkins was hit right hook to body gasped then feined low blow.

[Markusdarkus]

Calzaghe clearly won no he didn't

Of course he won he landed double and had Hopkins badly hurt in the 11th.

Hopkin had Calzaghe down in the 1st round Calzaghe threw pitter patter shots like a kitten pawing away at a ball Hopkins landed heavy solid shots no slaps im sure you are Joe Calzaghe come on Joe come out of the closet.

To be honest if i was fighting a slapper i wouldnt need to cheat.

[ICB]

Of course he won he landed double and had Hopkins badly hurt in the 11th.

He never had Hopkins hurt. Sure he "landed" double...according to compubox, but he landed very few clean, effective shots. Hopkins landed far more clean, effective shot, but Calzaghe threw so many more it was hard to tell. It was a very close fight, and you can certainly make a legit case for Hopkins.

You need to watch rd 11 when Hopkins was hit right hook to body gasped then feined low blow.

Joe Calzaghe may not be a puncher anymore but he is an underrated body puncher, he hurt Mikkel Kessler with a similar shot aswell.