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    Default Re: Did hopkins fight the wrong fight against Calzaghe?

    Joe was a harder fight for BHop. Joe is more experienced and has a plan B and C, Pavlik is limited. Bhop fought the way he did because of Calzaghe.
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    Default Re: Did hopkins fight the wrong fight against Calzaghe?

    I think you, Master, in that Cazlaghe is a much different, much more adaptable opponent then Pavlik, but his biggest weakness has been when he has foughten rough fights, Now Calzaghe is a good inside fighter, but the biggest mistake such a good fighter can do is go shot for shot, However where other guys are overwhelmed by Calzaghe's flurries, Hopkins clearly wasn't. Hopkins was able to make Calzaghe consistently miss, bs compubox aside. I would just be curious to see if this would be a more effective style for him to use.

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    Default Re: Did hopkins fight the wrong fight against Calzaghe?

    Against active fighters like Taylor and Joe he seems to put too much in reserve for fear of running out of gas, and did not let it all hang out because he believed their work rate may overwhelm him if he fought their fight.
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    Default Re: Did hopkins fight the wrong fight against Calzaghe?

    Even against winky and taylor he only did one punch and grab, fellas.

    He fought Oscar, Taylor, Winky, Tarver, Calzaghe all the same.. Not taking anything from calzaghe, he DOES have a plan b c d etc etc, but hopkin sfought the fight he always fought.
    It had nothing to dowith Joes style..

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    Default Re: Did hopkins fight the wrong fight against Calzaghe?

    Quote Originally Posted by intoccabile View Post
    Even against winky and taylor he only did one punch and grab, fellas.

    He fought Oscar, Taylor, Winky, Tarver, Calzaghe all the same.. Not taking anything from calzaghe, he DOES have a plan b c d etc etc, but hopkin sfought the fight he always fought.
    It had nothing to dowith Joes style..
    Winky,Tarver & Taylor fight absolutely nothing like Calzaghe though do they. He was able to fight that way against those guys.

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    Default Re: Did hopkins fight the wrong fight against Calzaghe?

    Hopkins fought the best he could and had he of had the referee he had against Pavlik he would have either got busted up or DQ`d for holding.

    Cortez was awful in that fight.

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    Default Re: Did hopkins fight the wrong fight against Calzaghe?

    I think Bernard Hopkins should of fought toe to toe more, and roughed up Joe Calzaghe on the inside. Past fights have showed Joe Calzaghe has struggled in those kind of fights, and Bernard Hopkins is way more skilled at those kind of fights, than Reid, Salem, Bika, etc.

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    Default Re: Did hopkins fight the wrong fight against Calzaghe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Markusdarkus View Post
    Hopkins fought the best he could and had he of had the referee he had against Pavlik he would have either got busted up or DQ`d for holding.

    Cortez was awful in that fight.
    No way would have he gotten busted up by Calzaghe, IMO this fight gets worse for Calzaghe the more toe to toe these two go. I think Hopkins plainly stated he has foughten in a defensive manner because of his age. I just think guys who like to impose themselves on you like Calzaghe, Pavlik, Margarito, etc are the wrong opponents to do it against. You have to do what Holyfield did against Tyson, it gets inside their head, Calzaghe has just been fortunate enough/good enough that he can either outbox his opponent and outfight them. I think Hopkins outboxed Calzaghe in the first fight, but judges don't seem to value that as much as physically beating the opponent down.

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    Default Re: Did hopkins fight the wrong fight against Calzaghe?

    Quote Originally Posted by BIG H View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by intoccabile View Post
    Even against winky and taylor he only did one punch and grab, fellas.

    He fought Oscar, Taylor, Winky, Tarver, Calzaghe all the same.. Not taking anything from calzaghe, he DOES have a plan b c d etc etc, but hopkin sfought the fight he always fought.
    It had nothing to dowith Joes style..
    Winky,Tarver & Taylor fight absolutely nothing like Calzaghe though do they. He was able to fight that way against those guys.
    Wow you just proved my point, bright guy. LOL!!!

    You just admitted he fought the same fight against all of them, which is what I said -.-;
    and the question the OP asked was " do we think hopkins fought the wrong fight against calzaghe". So yes, he did fight the wrong fight.. and you seem to be in agreement by saying " but calzaghe fights different then everyone else he fought this way " < - This is the reason why he fought the wrong fight -.-;

    Hopkins is arrogant. He takes people to school, makes them look bad, and swears the fight is in the bag.
    When the verdict is in, turns out the jduges didnt agree with him. It happened twice with taylor, third time with Calzaghe.
    3 strikes, your out. He realises now that what he thinks is right isn't always right in the judges mind.. and I will say again - His loss to calzaghe
    is one of the best things that could have ever happened to him. Had he not lost to calzaghe, he would have probably fought the same fight
    against Pavlik.. but he knows now that he has to work aswell as do all the other things he's so great at.
    Last edited by intoccabile; 10-22-2008 at 11:45 PM.

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    Default Re: Did hopkins fight the wrong fight against Calzaghe?

    I don't think Winky did any worse against Bernard than Calzaghe did, in fact taking in account how much more wear on his tires, and how much smaller he was I would in the whole scheme of things Winky is a better fighter then Calzaghe p4p in terms of all time greatness, Hopkins had a harder time landing on Winky, and WInky landed IMO more left hands then Calzaghe, and neither of them really landed a whole lot of jabs though both landed a few.

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    Default Re: Did hopkins fight the wrong fight against Calzaghe?

    Quote Originally Posted by intoccabile View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BIG H View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by intoccabile View Post
    Even against winky and taylor he only did one punch and grab, fellas.

    He fought Oscar, Taylor, Winky, Tarver, Calzaghe all the same.. Not taking anything from calzaghe, he DOES have a plan b c d etc etc, but hopkin sfought the fight he always fought.
    It had nothing to dowith Joes style..
    Winky,Tarver & Taylor fight absolutely nothing like Calzaghe though do they. He was able to fight that way against those guys.
    Wow you just proved my point, bright guy. LOL!!!

    You just admitted he fought the same fight against all of them, which is what I said -.-;
    My point wasn't aimed at you or trying to dissprove what you said, I was agreeing with you 'Bright Guy'. My point was that the way Calzaghe fought didn't allow Hopkins to do what he normally does SUCCESSFULLY.
    So by that regard Hopkins fought the wrong fight or should've adapted during the fight.

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