Who suffered worse in their defeat, Cotto or Pavlik?

[Wayne]

Gotta say Pavlik. He finished on his feet, yeah, but between him and Cotto Pavlik is the one people are reassessing. I think if anything people are waiting to see Cotto in his next outing to decide if he's no longer the fighter he was whereas people are already saying Pavlik isn't the fighter they thought he was.

[Rantcatrat]

Gotta say Pavlik. He finished on his feet, yeah, but between him and Cotto Pavlik is the one people are reassessing. I think if anything people are waiting to see Cotto in his next outing to decide if he's no longer the fighter he was whereas people are already saying Pavlik isn't the fighter they thought he was.

Really? There were many, many people who always thought Pavlik was a one-two punch boxer.

Do you think you'll see Cotto in with a puncher anytime soon? Do you think his management wants to test that chin again?

I like Cotto a lot. Don't get me wrong here. But, Pavlik suffered less by far.

I think you are confusing the question. I didn't ask which fighter was more exposed. I asked who suffered worse in their defeat.

It isn't about finishing on your feet. Amir Khan got ktfo, but it was a one punch knock-out. As a fellow poster mentioned, as long as it doesn't turn the fighter punch shy, he can get over it. But, Cotto was brought to his knees. His will was broken. Pavlik, from what I can tell, still has his will intact.

[OumaFan]

I don't think Cotto's people will avoid punchers so much, it wasn't just the fact that margarito can punch, he can punch but he's not a top ten P4P power guy, its the fact that he's relentless with an alien chin who made Cotto fight at a lot faster pace than Cotto wanted too.

They might avoid that type of guy (not sure there is one at 147 besides Margo, maybe Williams but that's a stretch) but I doubt they avoid anybody because of power. I don't think Cotto's chin looked that soft against Margo, compared to Margo's it did but pretty much everybody's does against Margo.

[Rantcatrat]

I don't think Cotto's people will avoid punchers so much, it wasn't just the fact that margarito can punch, he can punch but he's not a top ten P4P power guy, its the fact that he's relentless with an alien chin who made Cotto fight at a lot faster pace than Cotto wanted too.

They might avoid that type of guy (not sure there is one at 147 besides Margo, maybe Williams but that's a stretch) but I doubt they avoid anybody because of power. I don't think Cotto's chin looked that soft against Margo, compared to Margo's it did but pretty much everybody's does against Margo.

Ok. That is a fair assessment.

I think Cotto's problem has more to do with stamina. Remember his fight with Mosley, he coasted the last three-four rounds. In his fight with Tony, he fought five-six rounds and then couldn't sustain. If I were pitting my fighter against Cotto, I would advise him to throw a lot of leather and keep the pace up for 8 rounds.

[OumaFan]

Exactly. But you've got to be able to take what's coming in return from Cotto to do that. Cotto's not a huge puncher at 147 but he can obviously get your attention.

[Wayne]

Gotta say Pavlik. He finished on his feet, yeah, but between him and Cotto Pavlik is the one people are reassessing. I think if anything people are waiting to see Cotto in his next outing to decide if he's no longer the fighter he was whereas people are already saying Pavlik isn't the fighter they thought he was.

Really? There were many, many people who always thought Pavlik was a one-two punch boxer.

Do you think you'll see Cotto in with a puncher anytime soon? Do you think his management wants to test that chin again?

I like Cotto a lot. Don't get me wrong here. But, Pavlik suffered less by far.

I think you are confusing the question. I didn't ask which fighter was more exposed. I asked who suffered worse in their defeat.

It isn't about finishing on your feet. Amir Khan got ktfo, but it was a one punch knock-out. As a fellow poster mentioned, as long as it doesn't turn the fighter punch shy, he can get over it. But, Cotto was brought to his knees. His will was broken. Pavlik, from what I can tell, still has his will intact.

There's suffering and then there's suffering. Cotto's next big fight will be a huge pay day. Pavlik has just turned into a high-risk, low-reward fighter and will have to scrape his way up to where he was before Hopkins, losing out on several decent paydays in the near future. There are things that just aren't supposed to happen to elite fighters and a lot of them were done to Pavlik by a guy old enough to be his father. Cotto got beaten up by a guy we all knew could beat him up if he got the opportunity. Cotto won a good portion of the fight against Margarito, Pavlik could have stood still and gotten the same result (not really, but you know what I mean).