Who suffered worse in their defeat, Cotto or Pavlik?

[Lance Uppercut]

Cotto was beaten into submission

Pavlik lost a 12 round decision.


That doesn't seem like much of a choice to me.

[awdleyfuturehalloffamer]

Cotto got beat down after giving as good as he got. Pavlik lost every round and dissappointed most of his fans. Cotto gained fans because of the way he fought through adversity. Cotto gave it his all but wasn't the better man that night. Pavlik was thouroughly embarrassed. I was never really a cotto fan, until i saw the margarito fight. I was and am a fan of pavlik, but was really dissappointed in his non-showing. To lose every round to an old guy is embarrassing. The only thing worse would to beknocked out by an old guy. I still like pavlik but man was i let down.

[Spicoli]

Cotto "suffered" more I believe.Cotto put himself into the fire,fought the best he was seemingly able to,and from what I remember,seemed a huge favorite going in.He had the future all layed out with Oscar talk,p4p talk,the focus seemed to miss Tony.Also.....I really have never bought into this "Two fights in one" mantra we here after that fight.Cotto was boxing very well early but was sustaining accumulative damage as early as the first round and it was steadily increasing while at the same time landing the showier punches,with absolutely no effect.He fought his heart out.Also Cotto was exceeding in his skill set greatly,developing ring diversity in top form prior to the match muchmore so than Pavlik.Now he is about to go right back into the fray with the same man.I love Tony but he has 1 1/2 gears compared to a future 1st ballot HOF and one of the best tactical fighters in recent memory,be it 43 or 63.That being said,I see Cotto rebounding,having some big time victorys but just not against Margarito

Pavliks deficiency's were there prior to climbing through the ropes,Straight ahead offensive dynamo,never passed the 9th round but for one time.Fighting out of his weight,his title's remain intact.Hopkins refused to let him get rolling at all,never could mount a sustained attack and I believe Hopkins was content to beat him up while looking flashy.Pav. (and camp) got caught up in the newspaper clip reading,bought his own hype and forgot even 'Faded' old greats fight back when doubted.I believe he will learn quite a bit and still be a factor at middle, still add some tools.I do think that movement will always kill him though.

Back to work here but we honestly will not know until the next fight for both.I do not think they are ruined,far too early to right them off.

[XaduBoxer]

I think Cotto suffered more than Pavlik. Their reactions right after their respective fights showed some hints on how they felt about their embarassing defeats.

Cotto hurriedly leaving the ring and did not gave a post fight interview. Pavlik stayed in there and showed so much class in answering those humiliating questions like a real man.

This doesn't imply that Cotto is less of a warrior, it only showed that he's more embarassed of the damages he suffered...
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[El Kabong]

Cotto was beaten into submission

Pavlik lost a 12 round decision.


That doesn't seem like much of a choice to me.

It might not seem like much of a choice but think of it this way.

There aren't many guys who can do to Cotto what Margarito did to Cotto, especially taking the shots Toni took.

There are a ton of guys especially at 168 and 175 who can do to Pavlik what Hopkins did to Pavlik. B-Hop just blue printed the way to beat Kelly Pavlik AND Kelly has been proven ineffective at weights higher than 160 by Hopkins AND Jermain Taylor who some may say won the rematch.

I think Cotto was more physically damaged but mentally and emotionally it has to be Pavlik especially since he was fighting a guy who Joe Calzaghe made look like a bum.

[kingfrnk]

Cotto was beaten into submission

Pavlik lost a 12 round decision.


That doesn't seem like much of a choice to me.

It might not seem like much of a choice but think of it this way.

There aren't many guys who can do to Cotto what Margarito did to Cotto, especially taking the shots Toni took.

There are a ton of guys especially at 168 and 175 who can do to Pavlik what Hopkins did to Pavlik. B-Hop just blue printed the way to beat Kelly Pavlik AND Kelly has been proven ineffective at weights higher than 160 by Hopkins AND Jermain Taylor who some may say won the rematch.

I think Cotto was more physically damaged but mentally and emotionally it has to be Pavlik especially since he was fighting a guy who Joe Calzaghe made look like a bum.

are u saying joe made Bhop look like a bum

[The Rookie Fan]

I liken these to fights as followed...

Margarito's beat down of Cotto was like a highschool bully who picked a fight with a streat thug and got slapped silly by a real man.

B-Hop's abuse of Pavlik was like a highschool bully getting arrested and picking a fight with an inmate and getting raped..

[kingfrnk]

Cotto was beaten into submission

Pavlik lost a 12 round decision.


That doesn't seem like much of a choice to me.

excatly. it has to be cotto he was a huge favorite probably even a bigger fav than pavlik was against bhop. and everybody was calling the battle fight of the year, and alot of people werent to happy that kelly was going to fight bhop and look wat happened there. i mean dont get me wrong kelly got his pants pulled down in front of the whole class but cotto got beat up in front of the whole school and gave up against a guy that everybody thought he could beat.

[El Kabong]

Cotto was fighting the naturally bigger man...Pavlik was the naturally bigger man AND he was 17 years younger than B-Hop.....who should be worried? Margarito is the best welterweight, I don't know if Hopkins is the best at 175 or 168....I don't know if he's top 5....it's like trying to rank where De la Hoya is he doesn't fight often enough or in a single weight class.