Bute v. Andrade Poll

[Kev]

I must admit I'm no expert but I know they do state the fighter HAS to go to the neutral corner and so was the ref right by the proper application of the rules?

Bute was up at 9 anyhow.

This will be controversial to say the least

Damn, we will be debating this 15 years from now

[Deanrw]

Bute was clearly ahead, but I gotta think if Bute was warned for holding would the fight have taken a different course? Everytime Andrade got momentum going the ref bailed out Bute. I can't make a fair assessment of the performance of the fight, because it wasn't a fair fight. Andrade deserves a rematch with a neutral ref, get Smoger in there. I counted 15 seconds at the end myself as well.

Andrade was robbed plain and simple. The ref bailed out Bute whenever Andrade gained momentum.

This fight should read Andrade KO 12 Bute

[Deanrw]

I must admit I'm no expert but I know they do state the fighter HAS to go to the neutral corner and so was the ref right by the proper application of the rules?

Bute was up at 9 anyhow.

This will be controversial to say the least

Damn, we will be debating this 15 years from now

Does not matter. The final bell did not ring and Bute was not fit to continue, even if he did beat the count. The ref is not supposed to take the clock in consideration.

[RozzySean]

If Richard Steele was the ref, he would have stopped it 10 seconds before the knockdown. Andrade wins. If this referee worked Taylor/Chavez, Meldrick would have won because the fight would have never been stopped.

That's the biggest problem with boxing.

Andrade got jobbed by home cookin' for sure. Bute is freakin lucky. I hope there is a rematch so that Librado can correct this error in the records.

[mike_tha_man]

as we all saw in the replay, Bute beat the count BUT the ref should have cleaned his gloves and told him to step towards him to see the state that he was in. clearly even after the 15 or so count Bute stumbled over to his corner only being held up by the ropes. if he would have come forward to the ref, he probably would have fallen again since he was out on his feet. much credit to both fighters. First Bute: even though i thought he grabbed on too much he still out boxed Andrade to win almost every round in my books. Second Andrade: this guy has got to have one of the biggest hearts in the sport. never giving up and coming out with a unofficial knock out of the Champion. This shit needs to stop in boxing but lets not take anything away from the fighters as its not their faults. Great fight for both men.

[CFH]

as we all saw in the replay, Bute beat the count BUT the ref should have cleaned his gloves and told him to step towards him to see the state that he was in. clearly even after the 15 or so count Bute stumbled over to his corner only being held up by the ropes. if he would have come forward to the ref, he probably would have fallen again since he was out on his feet. much credit to both fighters. First Bute: even though i thought he grabbed on too much he still out boxed Andrade to win almost every round in my books. Second Andrade: this guy has got to have one of the biggest hearts in the sport. never giving up and coming out with a unofficial knock out of the Champion. This shit needs to stop in boxing but lets not take anything away from the fighters as its not their faults. Great fight for both men.

I agree with every word you wrote.

[Ghost]

So what happened? Lost connection just before the last round. Blasted storms. gggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[killersheep]

So what happened? Lost connection just before the last round. Blasted storms. gggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Read pages 8,9,10 of this thread lol

[awdleyfuturehalloffamer]

Andrade ko'd bute but the ref gave him a 20 count and said andrade wasn't in the opposite corner.

[Youngblood]

So what happened? Lost connection just before the last round. Blasted storms. gggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Words won't do it justice. You need to see it.

[thewhale]

hahahaha

Lucian Bute 'I was tired at the end'

...no Bute you was totally KO, he didn´t even realize that there was a "small" problem for the ref. to count to 10.

Next time they can borrow my Kid, she is 3 years old now, but the already knows how to count to 10....

Sorry for the hass remarks regarding Montreal, Im just pissed that this is more like WWE than boxing.

[mike_tha_man]

as we all saw in the replay, Bute beat the count BUT the ref should have cleaned his gloves and told him to step towards him to see the state that he was in. clearly even after the 15 or so count Bute stumbled over to his corner only being held up by the ropes. if he would have come forward to the ref, he probably would have fallen again since he was out on his feet. much credit to both fighters. First Bute: even though i thought he grabbed on too much he still out boxed Andrade to win almost every round in my books. Second Andrade: this guy has got to have one of the biggest hearts in the sport. never giving up and coming out with a unofficial knock out of the Champion. This shit needs to stop in boxing but lets not take anything away from the fighters as its not their faults. Great fight for both men.

I agree with every word you wrote.

yeah my point is that i see people already writing shit about Bute. i'll be honest i wanted Andrade to spark out Bute and i thought he did but how is that Bute's fault that the ref is a dickwad. as much as i was angry about the ending result, i wont take anything away from Bute. unless anyone can prove that Bute and the ref had some sort of agreement than its just stupid to say shit about any fighter who clearly gave his all and left it all in the ring (and by all i mean ALL, being KNOCKED THE FUCK OUT!!!) In paper Bute won, in almost everyone's mind and heart Andrade won.

[CFH]

as we all saw in the replay, Bute beat the count BUT the ref should have cleaned his gloves and told him to step towards him to see the state that he was in. clearly even after the 15 or so count Bute stumbled over to his corner only being held up by the ropes. if he would have come forward to the ref, he probably would have fallen again since he was out on his feet. much credit to both fighters. First Bute: even though i thought he grabbed on too much he still out boxed Andrade to win almost every round in my books. Second Andrade: this guy has got to have one of the biggest hearts in the sport. never giving up and coming out with a unofficial knock out of the Champion. This shit needs to stop in boxing but lets not take anything away from the fighters as its not their faults. Great fight for both men.

I agree with every word you wrote.

yeah my point is that i see people already writing shit about Bute. i'll be honest i wanted Andrade to spark put Bute and i thought he did but how is that Bute's fault that the ref is a dickwad. as much as i was angry about the ending result, i wont take anything away from Bute. unless anyone can prove that Bute and the ref had some sort of agreement than its just stupid to say shit about any fighter who clearly gave his all and left it all in the ring (and by all i mean ALL, being KNOCKED THE FUCK OUT!!!) In paper Bute won, in almost everyone's mind and heart Andrade won.

Again, I agree completely. I'm not even a big fan of the guy, I was cheering for Andrade as well, but it's ridiculous to blame Bute.

[killersheep]

as we all saw in the replay, Bute beat the count BUT the ref should have cleaned his gloves and told him to step towards him to see the state that he was in. clearly even after the 15 or so count Bute stumbled over to his corner only being held up by the ropes. if he would have come forward to the ref, he probably would have fallen again since he was out on his feet. much credit to both fighters. First Bute: even though i thought he grabbed on too much he still out boxed Andrade to win almost every round in my books. Second Andrade: this guy has got to have one of the biggest hearts in the sport. never giving up and coming out with a unofficial knock out of the Champion. This shit needs to stop in boxing but lets not take anything away from the fighters as its not their faults. Great fight for both men.

I agree with every word you wrote.

yeah my point is that i see people already writing shit about Bute. i'll be honest i wanted Andrade to spark put Bute and i thought he did but how is that Bute's fault that the ref is a dickwad. as much as i was angry about the ending result, i wont take anything away from Bute. unless anyone can prove that Bute and the ref had some sort of agreement than its just stupid to say shit about any fighter who clearly gave his all and left it all in the ring (and by all i mean ALL, being KNOCKED THE FUCK OUT!!!) In paper Bute won, in almost everyone's mind and heart Andrade won.

My issue is not with Bute at all, but from the third round on the ref was clearly there to protect Bute, and disrupt Andrade. I believe a rematch with a new ref if more than justified.

[awdleyfuturehalloffamer]

Nobody's blaming bute, they're blaming the corrupt asshole who gave him a 20 count and then let the fight continue even though bute couldn't stand on his own accord. And after the bell should have rang.