Bute v. Andrade Poll

[RP33]

I'm just playing Devil's Advoccate here but Bute probably would've won anyway whether he was counted correctly or not...

There was literally 2 seconds left when Bute went down. Even if the ref had counted him to 10 correctly, then allowed him to continue fighting the final bell would have gone before Andrade got to him again.

I know Bute was out on hs feet but he was standing so I reckon he would have been capable of raising his gloves. Thats all he would have needed to do to win the fight, raise his gloves...

All this is hyerthetcal anyway, if the ref had done his job then we'd know for sure

the question is was he down for 10 seconds.. the fact that there was no time remaining for andrade to get to bute is irrelevant..

you have to think of it as it was the end of any other round, not the end of the fight, because the rule is that you can't get saved by the bell.. so if it was the end of the second round, and this happened, the ref starts to count, if he doesn't get up by 10, it's KO obviously.. if he gets up before 10, the ref decides if he can continue to fight.. thing is, if it's the end of a round, the fighter goes back to his corner, the doctor will probably evaluate him along with the rest of his team, the ref will probably come over, and it's a different story.. the fact that bute got up before 10, wobbly and all, it would've been even more controversial if he called it a KO considering he fought for 12 3 minute rounds, and just because he wouldn't be able to fight past that, doesn't mean he loses the fight..

i counted from when he got knocked down, and i was at about 8 i believe.. rematch would be great, but i feel pretty confident in saying that bute won that fight.

[CFH]

I'm just playing Devil's Advoccate here but Bute probably would've won anyway whether he was counted correctly or not...

There was literally 2 seconds left when Bute went down. Even if the ref had counted him to 10 correctly, then allowed him to continue fighting the final bell would have gone before Andrade got to him again.

I know Bute was out on hs feet but he was standing so I reckon he would have been capable of raising his gloves. Thats all he would have needed to do to win the fight, raise his gloves...

All this is hyerthetcal anyway, if the ref had done his job then we'd know for sure

the question is was he down for 10 seconds.. the fact that there was no time remaining for andrade to get to bute is irrelevant..

you have to think of it as it was the end of any other round, not the end of the fight, because the rule is that you can't get saved by the bell.. so if it was the end of the second round, and this happened, the ref starts to count, if he doesn't get up by 10, it's KO obviously.. if he gets up before 10, the ref decides if he can continue to fight.. thing is, if it's the end of a round, the fighter goes back to his corner, the doctor will probably evaluate him along with the rest of his team, the ref will probably come over, and it's a different story.. the fact that bute got up before 10, wobbly and all, it would've been even more controversial if he called it a KO considering he fought for 12 3 minute rounds, and just because he wouldn't be able to fight past that, doesn't mean he loses the fight..

i counted from when he got knocked down, and i was at about 8 i believe.. rematch would be great, but i feel pretty confident in saying that bute won that fight.

The more I think about it, the more I can understand the perspective you are presenting, and if it I was just looking at the final around in isolation I would agree, as it is I'm not sure how I feel about the end of the fight at this point.

However, the ref was favoring Bute from the outset, letting him hold without warning (even warning Andrade for holding), letting him grab at Andrade's legs on 3 occasions, giving Bute a break whenever Andrade seemed to hurt him a bit, and just generally refing the fight in a very biased way. For me, this fight ATM is an ND and there needs to be a rematch in a neutral location to determine a winner. Sadly, I think Bute schools Andrade next time, but it needs to happen.

Edit: I just remembered all the headbutts and elbows Andrade was getting away with, so perhaps the refs was simply incompetent? Though I do feel he was clearly favoring Bute.