Who should regret the weakness in their legacy the most?

[Taeth]

Nobody would fight Jones a reasonable amount of money, people don't acknowledge that, but other fighters were scared shitless of Roy, Joe Calzaghe included.

[LondonBB]

For me its calzaghe.

I dont think its his fault though.

Its down to frank warren.

Calzaghe shouldve gone to the states and started battering the sh1t out of all the other opponents that roy jones faced and then making himself more well known out there, forcing the bigger fights earlier on.

Its such a shame that never happened.

If calzaghe wins against jones in their coming fight then he goes down as one of the greats.

Its a shame though that with a record of 48,0,0 (if he wins) we will never really have seen what he couldve been had he gone to the states earlier.

I blame this on his manager, had it not been for him then perhaps the great matchups wouldve happened when calzaghe/jones/hopkins were all younger.

The sad fact is that calzaghe will always have the question mark over his head as to how great a fighter he was, was he simply only as good as he is now (a legend, but not a top 10 ever) or...was he one of the best fighters ever, easily surpassing roy jones...who knows? We will never know now, all because his manager didnt bring him stateside and kept him in the uk.

A shame.

Either way, with wins over eubank, kessler, lacy, reid and hopkins, then a win (if he does) over roy jones (not at his peak) then it just goes to prove what ive said...

We can look back and say, 'was calzaghe simply a legend', or 'could calzaghe have been the best in this era of boxing'...we'll never know, such a shame imo.

[SweetPea]

I'm going to say Jones, for this reason....

Jones is one of the most talented fighters ever. If he had gone all out and fought all comers, he could have potentially gone down as one of the 5 or 6 greatest fighters ever. He could have been a legend in the mold of Robinson, Leonard or Duran.

[LondonBB]

I'm going to say Jones, for this reason....

Jones is one of the most talented fighters ever. If he had gone all out and fought all comers, he could have potentially gone down as one of the 5 or 6 greatest fighters ever. He could have been a legend in the mold of Robinson, Leonard or Duran.

But thats exactly the same as what can be said about joe though is it not?

If calzaghe had actually fought the fighters stateside when he was younger then the same could be said about him (presuming he won of course).

The bottom line is, what seperates the very best of the best from the rest is that they actually went and fought each other.

When you look at the classic golden era of the heavyweights, ali, frazier, foreman spring to mind...they fought each other all in the same era...sometimes they won, sometimes they lost, but they werent trying to pamper their records by avoiding each other, they would want to battle it out and fight each other for a victory. The same goes with sugar ray robinson, the same as you rightly said goes with hearn, hagler, duran and leonard.

They were there to be fought, and they did fight!

Unfortunately jones' career wasnt like that. Neither was calzaghe's. In terms of a legacy point of view calzaghe is doing it too late.

Who knows who would have won if it had been 7-8 years ago, but its such a shame that roy jones and joe calzaghe never met each other previously.

[SweetPea]

I'm going to say Jones, for this reason....

Jones is one of the most talented fighters ever. If he had gone all out and fought all comers, he could have potentially gone down as one of the 5 or 6 greatest fighters ever. He could have been a legend in the mold of Robinson, Leonard or Duran.

But thats exactly the same as what can be said about joe though is it not?

If calzaghe had actually fought the fighters stateside when he was younger then the same could be said about him (presuming he won of course).

The bottom line is, what seperates the very best of the best from the rest is that they actually went and fought each other.

When you look at the classic golden era of the heavyweights, ali, frazier, foreman spring to mind...they fought each other all in the same era...sometimes they won, sometimes they lost, but they werent trying to pamper their records by avoiding each other, they would want to battle it out and fight each other for a victory. The same goes with sugar ray robinson, the same as you rightly said goes with hearn, hagler, duran and leonard.

They were there to be fought, and they did fight!

Unfortunately jones' career wasnt like that. Neither was calzaghe's. In terms of a legacy point of view calzaghe is doing it too late.

Who knows who would have won if it had been 7-8 years ago, but its such a shame that roy jones and joe calzaghe never met each other previously.

No, I don't think the same can be said about Joe. Joe is very good, but he never had the potential to be good as Roy did.