Quote Originally Posted by Bilbo View Post
It's funny because Jones resume in terms of actual fighters is barely more impressive than Joe's

He beat Hopkins, but a green Hopkins who hadn't fully matured into the wiley fox he would later become. I don't believe that the Hopkins that Jones beat was better than the Hopkins that Calzaghe beat even in spite of the advancing years.

James Toney we all know the stories about the massive amount of weight he had to lose. Plus back then Toney wasn't the slick awkward fighter he was in higher weight classes. Michael Nunn outboxed him easily early as well. Toney really improved in terms of skills as he got older and anyway was much better suited at the higher weights.

Mike McCallum was a decent win but he was 40 and coming off a loss. Definitely at the end of his career, no better a win than Eubank certainly.


Then who else?

Clinton Woods, Virgil Hill, Reggie Johnson, decent fighters but not world beaters.

John Ruiz? Well it was a big achievement moving up to heavyweight to beat him but Ruix is derided as being universally recognised as one of the worst heavyweight champs ever.

Then Tarver who KO'd Jones and Glen Johnson who also Ko'd him.


If you just look at opponents you can make a case against any fighter.

Calzaghe's record is superb, if he beats Jones he has to first ballot hall of famers on his record, a great champ in Chris Eubank plus two highly rated undefeated, prime world champs in Kessler and Lacy.

He's proven himself, he's an all time great.
Both Jones and Calzaghe are guilty of not making certain fights which should have been made. Joninnes should have fought Steve Collins and Dariusz. Jones and Calzaghe should have met sometime between 2000 and 2002. Shame on both of them for not making the fight. Calzaghe should have been willing to go Germany and fight Ottke. That wasn't all Calzaghe's fault, but his team is partially to blame.

BOTH are ATG and HoF level fighters, but neither one acted like a true champion and made the best, toughest fights available. Both were content to make money off silly defenses mandated by idiotic, corrupt sanctioning bodies. Both guys were scared to take risks in there careers until the the back end, when when they realized that they better cash in before they lost it completely and there names had gotten big enough.

It's funny, when you look at Roy Jones record, you see a lot of guys that Roy catching guys on the back nine, and a bunch who James Toney and/or somebody else had already beat when they were in there primes - McCallum (Toney), Sosa (Toney and Nunn), Reggie Johnson (Toney), Gllen Wolfe (Toney) Virgil Hill (old Hearns, Dariusz), Toney Thornton (Eubank and Toney).

Yet he Jones would never rematch Hopkins or Toney. Never sought Calzaghe in his prime. Never fought Steve Collins or Dariusz. Picked one of the worst HW belt-holders in history to cherry pick his belt at HW.

Both are all-time greats, but Calzaghe deserves all the crap he gets, and it's too bad that Jones gets a free pass from so many people for being such a bitch-ass for a pretty good chuck of his career. He beats a weight drained James Toney, leaves strong SMW with unifying. He goes LHW and spends half his career beating James Toney's leftovers. Sad, because he was so talented and we deserved to see him against better opposition.

Jones gets all love. Joe gets all the crap. Makes no sense when they are so similar.