If Calzaghe's record is so bad, whose is better?

[Mar]

I'm not sure if the argument for or against joe is ever going to be settled, those for calzagehe are going to support him no matter what and those who dislike him are going to no matter what. I just wish he would've started this push towards U.S. fights a little bit earlier, i doubt a fight is going to ever happen that will sway anyone to the other side. Some good arguments for both against and for the guy.

[Tysonbruno]

Thing is fighters such as Pavlik and Cotto are both young fighters but they are willing to take risks now Pavlik lost to Hopkins and Cotto to Margarito but at least these young fighters are going for it. Calzaghe is in his late 30's unbeaten in 45 fights but he has only just started taking risks and is last 2 risks have been against fighters past there best Hopkins and Jones even if Hopkins has just beaten Pavlik he still isn't at his best. Calzaghe could have learned a lot from fighters like Pavlik and Cotto risk takers wanting big fights tough fights not clinging on to there unbeaten records.

[Kev]

Thing is fighters such as Pavlik and Cotto are both young fighters but they are willing to take risks now Pavlik lost to Hopkins and Cotto to Margarito but at least these young fighters are going for it. Calzaghe is in his late 30's unbeaten in 45 fights but he has only just started taking risks and is last 2 risks have been against fighters past there best Hopkins and Jones even if Hopkins has just beaten Pavlik he still isn't at his best. Calzaghe could have learned a lot from fighters like Pavlik and Cotto risk takers wanting big fights tough fights not clinging on to there unbeaten records.

Calzaghe beat Eubank as a young fighter let's not forget that.

Also look at B Hop. He didn't get his first signifcant fight until he fought the welterweight Trinidad in 2001 at the age of 36, the same age Calzaghe is now!

Calzaghe is actually ahead of Hopkins. At this age Hopkins had only fought Trinidad, Calzaghe already has wins over Eubank, Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins and is fighting another legend in Roy Jones next month.

Hagler didnt' get any big fights until he was past 30 either.

[Tysonbruno]

Ok he beat Eubank as a young fighter but then what did he do he didn't take a risk till he fought Lacy.

[Hulk]

Ok he beat Eubank as a young fighter but then what did he do he didn't take a risk till he fought Lacy.

I don't like Calzaghe much myself, and Jones is gonna light his ass up, but I will say that he took on Robin Reid, Omar Sheika, and Charles Brewer.

Those three were risks, specially since Sheika and Brewer were murderous punchers.

[Tysonbruno]

Ok he beat Eubank as a young fighter but then what did he do he didn't take a risk till he fought Lacy.

I don't like Calzaghe much myself, and Jones is gonna light his ass up, but I will say that he took on Robin Reid, Omar Sheika, and Charles Brewer.

Those three were risks, specially since Sheika and Brewer were murderous punchers.

Sheika had been beaten by Tony Booth puncher or not and Brewer was on lost twice to ottke he was a safe bet.And Atwun Echols had stopped Brewer in 3 like ICB said i forgot about that.

[ICB]

Ok he beat Eubank as a young fighter but then what did he do he didn't take a risk till he fought Lacy.

I don't like Calzaghe much myself, and Jones is gonna light his ass up, but I will say that he took on Robin Reid, Omar Sheika, and Charles Brewer.

Those three were risks, specially since Sheika and Brewer were murderous punchers.

Omar Sheika a murderous puncher ? you are kidding right ? 18 KO's out of 27 wins is hardly a "murderous puncher"

28 KO's out of 40 wins for Charles Brewer how is he a murderous puncher aswell ? plus he had a weak chin.

[Andre]

Ok he beat Eubank as a young fighter but then what did he do he didn't take a risk till he fought Lacy.

I don't like Calzaghe much myself, and Jones is gonna light his ass up, but I will say that he took on Robin Reid, Omar Sheika, and Charles Brewer.

Those three were risks, specially since Sheika and Brewer were murderous punchers.

Omar Sheika a murderous puncher ? you are kidding right ? 18 KO's out of 27 wins is hardly a "murderous puncher"

28 KO's out of 40 wins for Charles Brewer how is he a murderous puncher aswell ? plus he had a weak chin.

Murderous is a bit of a stretch of launguage, but i can still see his point on them being a real risk.

[Hulk]

Ok he beat Eubank as a young fighter but then what did he do he didn't take a risk till he fought Lacy.

I don't like Calzaghe much myself, and Jones is gonna light his ass up, but I will say that he took on Robin Reid, Omar Sheika, and Charles Brewer.

Those three were risks, specially since Sheika and Brewer were murderous punchers.

Omar Sheika a murderous puncher ? you are kidding right ? 18 KO's out of 27 wins is hardly a "murderous puncher"

28 KO's out of 40 wins for Charles Brewer how is he a murderous puncher aswell ? plus he had a weak chin.

I'll admit I kinda just like saying the words "Murderous Puncher"
lol

[kingfrnk]

Thing is fighters such as Pavlik and Cotto are both young fighters but they are willing to take risks now Pavlik lost to Hopkins and Cotto to Margarito but at least these young fighters are going for it. Calzaghe is in his late 30's unbeaten in 45 fights but he has only just started taking risks and is last 2 risks have been against fighters past there best Hopkins and Jones even if Hopkins has just beaten Pavlik he still isn't at his best. Calzaghe could have learned a lot from fighters like Pavlik and Cotto risk takers wanting big fights tough fights not clinging on to there unbeaten records.

Calzaghe beat Eubank as a young fighter let's not forget that.

Also look at B Hop. He didn't get his first signifcant fight until he fought the welterweight Trinidad in 2001 at the age of 36, the same age Calzaghe is now!

Calzaghe is actually ahead of Hopkins. At this age Hopkins had only fought Trinidad, Calzaghe already has wins over Eubank, Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins and is fighting another legend in Roy Jones next month.

Hagler didnt' get any big fights until he was past 30 either.

how the fuk is calzaghe ahead of hopkins. frm 40 and up he fought Taylor twice, Tarver, Wright, Calslappy, and Pavlik. just those 4 not including JOKE are way better than calzaghe has ever faced and joe is like wat 36-37 and Bhop is past 40 and is fighting PRIMEFIGHTERS unlike JOE.

[Kev]

Thing is fighters such as Pavlik and Cotto are both young fighters but they are willing to take risks now Pavlik lost to Hopkins and Cotto to Margarito but at least these young fighters are going for it. Calzaghe is in his late 30's unbeaten in 45 fights but he has only just started taking risks and is last 2 risks have been against fighters past there best Hopkins and Jones even if Hopkins has just beaten Pavlik he still isn't at his best. Calzaghe could have learned a lot from fighters like Pavlik and Cotto risk takers wanting big fights tough fights not clinging on to there unbeaten records.

Calzaghe beat Eubank as a young fighter let's not forget that.

Also look at B Hop. He didn't get his first signifcant fight until he fought the welterweight Trinidad in 2001 at the age of 36, the same age Calzaghe is now!

Calzaghe is actually ahead of Hopkins. At this age Hopkins had only fought Trinidad, Calzaghe already has wins over Eubank, Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins and is fighting another legend in Roy Jones next month.

Hagler didnt' get any big fights until he was past 30 either.

how the fuk is calzaghe ahead of hopkins. frm 40 and up he fought Taylor twice, Tarver, Wright, Calslappy, and Pavlik. just those 4 not including JOKE are way better than calzaghe has ever faced and joe is like wat 36-37 and Bhop is past 40 and is fighting PRIMEFIGHTERS unlike JOE.

Read it again carefully I said Calzaghe is ahead of Hopkins compared to where he was at the same age.

Hopkins got his megafight against Trinidad at age 36. The same age as Joe is now.

Now go and look at B Hops resume up until the age of 36 and compare it with Calzaghe's

Calzaghe's resume is as good if not better than Hopkins was at age 36.

Go and have a look if you don't believe me.

Trinidad, Oscar, Tarver, Pavlik, Wright, all of those fights he was older than Calzahghe is now

What I'm saying is that B Hop won his resect even later in life than what Joe is doing.

If you just looked at B Hops record up until age 36 and the Trinidad fight, who did he beat?

[JT Rock]

Mayweather

Delahoya

Jones

Toney

Lewis

To name a few

[kingfrnk]

Calzaghe beat Eubank as a young fighter let's not forget that.

Also look at B Hop. He didn't get his first signifcant fight until he fought the welterweight Trinidad in 2001 at the age of 36, the same age Calzaghe is now!

Calzaghe is actually ahead of Hopkins. At this age Hopkins had only fought Trinidad, Calzaghe already has wins over Eubank, Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins and is fighting another legend in Roy Jones next month.

Hagler didnt' get any big fights until he was past 30 either.

how the fuk is calzaghe ahead of hopkins. frm 40 and up he fought Taylor twice, Tarver, Wright, Calslappy, and Pavlik. just those 4 not including JOKE are way better than calzaghe has ever faced and joe is like wat 36-37 and Bhop is past 40 and is fighting PRIMEFIGHTERS unlike JOE.

Read it again carefully I said Calzaghe is ahead of Hopkins compared to where he was at the same age.

Hopkins got his megafight against Trinidad at age 36. The same age as Joe is now.

Now go and look at B Hops resume up until the age of 36 and compare it with Calzaghe's

Calzaghe's resume is as good if not better than Hopkins was at age 36.

Go and have a look if you don't believe me.

Trinidad, Oscar, Tarver, Pavlik, Wright, all of those fights he was older than Calzahghe is now

What I'm saying is that B Hop won his resect even later in life than what Joe is doing.

If you just looked at B Hops record up until age 36 and the Trinidad fight, who did he beat?

yea but bhop was in jail to so dont forget that. bhop even said it himself that why people keep asking bhop why are u still fighting and bhop said people dont remember that I lost years of fighting because I WAS IN JAIL.

[ICB]

Thing is fighters such as Pavlik and Cotto are both young fighters but they are willing to take risks now Pavlik lost to Hopkins and Cotto to Margarito but at least these young fighters are going for it. Calzaghe is in his late 30's unbeaten in 45 fights but he has only just started taking risks and is last 2 risks have been against fighters past there best Hopkins and Jones even if Hopkins has just beaten Pavlik he still isn't at his best. Calzaghe could have learned a lot from fighters like Pavlik and Cotto risk takers wanting big fights tough fights not clinging on to there unbeaten records.

Calzaghe beat Eubank as a young fighter let's not forget that.

Also look at B Hop. He didn't get his first signifcant fight until he fought the welterweight Trinidad in 2001 at the age of 36, the same age Calzaghe is now!

Calzaghe is actually ahead of Hopkins. At this age Hopkins had only fought Trinidad, Calzaghe already has wins over Eubank, Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins and is fighting another legend in Roy Jones next month.

Hagler didnt' get any big fights until he was past 30 either.

Bilbo do you realize how much of an underdog Bernard Hopkins was against Felix Trinidad ? and do you know Felix Trinidad was being compared to SRR. And was very high in the P4P rankings ?

Bernard Hopkins also beat Antwun Echols x2 who beat Charles Brewer, which is one of Joe Calzaghe's better wins, and also a win over Keith Holmes who dominated a young Richie Woodhall, which is also one of Joe Calzaghe's better wins.

Also aren't you forgetting Glen Johnson, John David Jackson, Simon Brown, ETC. they are all solid wins.

[Kev]

Thing is fighters such as Pavlik and Cotto are both young fighters but they are willing to take risks now Pavlik lost to Hopkins and Cotto to Margarito but at least these young fighters are going for it. Calzaghe is in his late 30's unbeaten in 45 fights but he has only just started taking risks and is last 2 risks have been against fighters past there best Hopkins and Jones even if Hopkins has just beaten Pavlik he still isn't at his best. Calzaghe could have learned a lot from fighters like Pavlik and Cotto risk takers wanting big fights tough fights not clinging on to there unbeaten records.

Calzaghe beat Eubank as a young fighter let's not forget that.

Also look at B Hop. He didn't get his first signifcant fight until he fought the welterweight Trinidad in 2001 at the age of 36, the same age Calzaghe is now!

Calzaghe is actually ahead of Hopkins. At this age Hopkins had only fought Trinidad, Calzaghe already has wins over Eubank, Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins and is fighting another legend in Roy Jones next month.

Hagler didnt' get any big fights until he was past 30 either.

Bilbo do you realize how much of an underdog Bernard Hopkins was against Felix Trinidad ? and do you know Felix Trinidad was being compared to SRR. And was very high in the P4P rankings ?

Bernard Hopkins also beat Antwun Echols x2 who beat Charles Brewer, which is one of Joe Calzaghe's better wins, and also a win over Keith Holmes who dominated a young Richie Woodhall, which is also one of Joe Calzaghe's better wins.

Also aren't you forgetting Glen Johnson, John David Jackson, Simon Brown, ETC. they are all solid wins.

This isn't about B Hop though Ice, you'll notice he's not in my list of fighters.

i'll ask you again, who, of the fighters I mentioned in the current p4p list has a better resume than Calzaghe and why?