If Calzaghe's record is so bad, whose is better?

[ICB]

How many fights have you promoted?

You don't need to be a promoter to see that was a shit offer, but maybe it wasn't depending on what Joe Calzaghe was getting. You got any articles regarding what Joe Calzaghe was getting ?

Dont embarrass yourself.

You don't know NOTHING about making fights or the worth of that offer. Proved by - you're asking for Calzaghe's cut yet claiming Reid's is SHIT.

From that link - just accept that the rematch was offered. Money makes fights. Reid didn't like the money so declined. Simple as that.

Oh sorry almighty Fenster i didn't know you knew all about making fights, and all of us on here including me are completely clueless ?

How many fights have you made ? None, FACT.

You keep your little Frank Warren stories/articles locked away in your diary, then use them on here and think you know about matchmaking.

Don't make me laugh and also the FACT is you can't give me any article, regarding what Joe Calzaghe was getting. Which is probably the reason Robin Reid didn't accept it FACT. Or you do have the facts but aren't using them here, which might prove me right/wrong.

Lets stop the bickering and see if can find all the facts and not just one side of the story. Joe Calzaghe has been known to be a hard fighter to neogatite with in the past. So i would be very interested to see what money Joe Calzaghe was getting, because there is no way Robin Reid would turn that fight down unless the money difference was ridiculous. He wanted that rematch badly and alot of people wanted to see the fight at that time.

[Fenster]

You don't need to be a promoter to see that was a shit offer, but maybe it wasn't depending on what Joe Calzaghe was getting. You got any articles regarding what Joe Calzaghe was getting ?

Dont embarrass yourself.

You don't know NOTHING about making fights or the worth of that offer. Proved by - you're asking for Calzaghe's cut yet claiming Reid's is SHIT.

From that link - just accept that the rematch was offered. Money makes fights. Reid didn't like the money so declined. Simple as that.

Oh sorry almighty Fenster i didn't know you knew all about making fights, and all of us on here including me are completely clueless ?

How many fights have you made ? None, FACT.

You keep your little Frank Warren stories/articles locked away in your diary, then use them on here and think you know about matchmaking.

Don't make me laugh and also the FACT is you can't give me any article, regarding what Joe Calzaghe was getting. Which is probably the reason Robin Reid didn't accept it FACT. Or you do have the facts but aren't using them here, which might prove me right/wrong.

Lets stop the bickering and see if can find all the facts and not just one side of the story. Joe Calzaghe has been known to be a hard fighter to neogatite with in the past. So i would be very interested to see what money Joe Calzaghe was getting, because there is no way Robin Reid would turn that fight down unless the money difference was ridiculous. He wanted that rematch badly and alot of people wanted to see the fight at that time.

Stop talking nonsense.

I don't claim things i can't back up. I gave a quote from Robin Reid PROVING he had been offered the Calzaghe rematch. Robin Reid NEVER mentioned he was UNHAPPY about Calzaghe's cut. I don't know Calzaghe's cut. Why would Robin Reid have known Calzaghe's cut? HE says he was UNHAPPY with the amount he was offered.

I'm not bickering. I'm providing evidence for something i said. Fact.

[zhubin]

I love when people point to Calzaghe beating a well past it Eubanks as an example of his excellent resume. Or better yet...his win over an overhyped, one dimensional fighter in Lacy. Give credit to Joe for exposing Lacy...but anyone who thinks Lacy was a great challenge needs to have a word with themselves. His recent fight with Hopkins wasn't tremendously convincing of his "greatness" either. IMO he at the very least fought to a draw in that fight. Against a 43 year old opponent who threw only one punch the entire fight (the straight right). So shockingly enough...you can argue that Joe's biggest win in his career (and by big i mean over a PRIME, well regarded opponent)...is Kessler. Kessler is a solid fighter...but by no means (at this point anyways) a pound 4 pound powerhouse. Is a Joe a bum of a fighter...of course not. Is he one of the most overhyped fighters in recent years...absolutely. And it's true...Roy Jones doesn't have the greatest resume either. But he beat a clear p4p champion in their prime in Toney...something Calzaghe never has done. But Roy's impact on the sport transcends his resume...for the pure fact that he is one of the most athletically gifted fighters the sport has seen.

[LondonBB]

I love when people point to Calzaghe beating a well past it Eubanks as an example of his excellent resume. Or better yet...his win over an overhyped, one dimensional fighter in Lacy. Give credit to Joe for exposing Lacy...but anyone who thinks Lacy was a great challenge needs to have a word with themselves. His recent fight with Hopkins wasn't tremendously convincing of his "greatness" either. IMO he at the very least fought to a draw in that fight. Against a 43 year old opponent who threw only one punch the entire fight (the straight right). So shockingly enough...you can argue that Joe's biggest win in his career (and by big i mean over a PRIME, well regarded opponent)...is Kessler. Kessler is a solid fighter...but by no means (at this point anyways) a pound 4 pound powerhouse. Is a Joe a bum of a fighter...of course not. Is he one of the most overhyped fighters in recent years...absolutely. And it's true...Roy Jones doesn't have the greatest resume either. But he beat a clear p4p champion in their prime in Toney...something Calzaghe never has done. But Roy's impact on the sport transcends his resume...for the pure fact that he is one of the most athletically gifted fighters the sport has seen.

Just like you love it when tyson beat a well past it fat holmes?

Or when tyson beat burbeck?

Or when hopkins beat a blown up welterweight in trinidad or a blown up lightweight in de la hoya?

Or when jones fought 30 of his fights against useless bums.

I could go on and on.

WHY THE FUK DID ROY JONES NOT ACCEPT TO FIGHT CALZAGHE YEARS AGO WHEN CALZAGHE ASKED HIM FOR THE FIGHT?

WHY NOT?

Any other fighter and it would be classes as avoiding or 'ducking'...ah but i forgot...its roy jones, the man who's skill looked awesome against the greatest opposition in history ruiz and tony right?

WHY DID JONES NOT FIGHT CALZAGHE YEARS BACK WHEN THE OFFER WAS ON THE TABLE?

WHATS THE EXCUSE ON THAT ONE?

[zhubin]

I love when people point to Calzaghe beating a well past it Eubanks as an example of his excellent resume. Or better yet...his win over an overhyped, one dimensional fighter in Lacy. Give credit to Joe for exposing Lacy...but anyone who thinks Lacy was a great challenge needs to have a word with themselves. His recent fight with Hopkins wasn't tremendously convincing of his "greatness" either. IMO he at the very least fought to a draw in that fight. Against a 43 year old opponent who threw only one punch the entire fight (the straight right). So shockingly enough...you can argue that Joe's biggest win in his career (and by big i mean over a PRIME, well regarded opponent)...is Kessler. Kessler is a solid fighter...but by no means (at this point anyways) a pound 4 pound powerhouse. Is a Joe a bum of a fighter...of course not. Is he one of the most overhyped fighters in recent years...absolutely. And it's true...Roy Jones doesn't have the greatest resume either. But he beat a clear p4p champion in their prime in Toney...something Calzaghe never has done. But Roy's impact on the sport transcends his resume...for the pure fact that he is one of the most athletically gifted fighters the sport has seen.

Just like you love it when tyson beat a well past it fat holmes?

Or when tyson beat burbeck?

Or when hopkins beat a blown up welterweight in trinidad or a blown up lightweight in de la hoya?

Or when jones fought 30 of his fights against useless bums.

I could go on and on.

WHY THE FUK DID ROY JONES NOT ACCEPT TO FIGHT CALZAGHE YEARS AGO WHEN CALZAGHE ASKED HIM FOR THE FIGHT?

WHY NOT?

Any other fighter and it would be classes as avoiding or 'ducking'...ah but i forgot...its roy jones, the man who's skill looked awesome against the greatest opposition in history ruiz and tony right?

WHY DID JONES NOT FIGHT CALZAGHE YEARS BACK WHEN THE OFFER WAS ON THE TABLE?

WHATS THE EXCUSE ON THAT ONE?

The excuse? Well...it didn't help that Joe until the very near end of his career refused to leave his backyard for a fight. I am not into the whole nationalistic pride thing either...but facts are facts. The big fights/events...take place here in the states...and Joe, for whatever reason, didn't want to bring himself here until just recently. Another issue is money. At the height of his power...Roy was as big, if not the biggest draw in boxing. So especially back then...things where going to be done on his terms...BECAUSE that's what happens when you are the big name...you call the shots, you make the offers, etc. So please don't make this into a "Roy ducking Calzaghe" nonsense. For Calzaghe's sake...it's a good thing he never fought Roy in his prime...because Jones would have spanked him silly. I , however, agree with you...Roy doesn't have the greatest resume. Very few fighters in history have the kind of resume that is almost beyond reproach. But again...Roy at least fought and beat a prime p4p champ in Toney. And more importantly...he showcased a level of athleticism that has rarely been seen in the sport.

[Dark Lord Al]

I love when people point to Calzaghe beating a well past it Eubanks as an example of his excellent resume. Or better yet...his win over an overhyped, one dimensional fighter in Lacy. Give credit to Joe for exposing Lacy...but anyone who thinks Lacy was a great challenge needs to have a word with themselves. His recent fight with Hopkins wasn't tremendously convincing of his "greatness" either. IMO he at the very least fought to a draw in that fight. Against a 43 year old opponent who threw only one punch the entire fight (the straight right). So shockingly enough...you can argue that Joe's biggest win in his career (and by big i mean over a PRIME, well regarded opponent)...is Kessler. Kessler is a solid fighter...but by no means (at this point anyways) a pound 4 pound powerhouse. Is a Joe a bum of a fighter...of course not. Is he one of the most overhyped fighters in recent years...absolutely. And it's true...Roy Jones doesn't have the greatest resume either. But he beat a clear p4p champion in their prime in Toney...something Calzaghe never has done. But Roy's impact on the sport transcends his resume...for the pure fact that he is one of the most athletically gifted fighters the sport has seen.

Just like you love it when tyson beat a well past it fat holmes?

Or when tyson beat burbeck?

Or when hopkins beat a blown up welterweight in trinidad or a blown up lightweight in de la hoya?

Or when jones fought 30 of his fights against useless bums.

I could go on and on.

WHY THE FUK DID ROY JONES NOT ACCEPT TO FIGHT CALZAGHE YEARS AGO WHEN CALZAGHE ASKED HIM FOR THE FIGHT?

WHY NOT?

Any other fighter and it would be classes as avoiding or 'ducking'...ah but i forgot...its roy jones, the man who's skill looked awesome against the greatest opposition in history ruiz and tony right?

WHY DID JONES NOT FIGHT CALZAGHE YEARS BACK WHEN THE OFFER WAS ON THE TABLE?

WHATS THE EXCUSE ON THAT ONE?

AT THE TIME of the offer - If Calzaghe had wanted Jones you get the fight by beating RJJ top contenders and calling him out , not by shouting from Wales. LOL
HAHAHA yes RJJ p4p world number 1 , fights in USA for the most part , hmm hes going to leave America to come to the hotbed of world boxing Wales , to fight a guy with the WBO SM title , LOL GET FUCKING REAL.

[antimoron]

IM JUST WONDERING.. Where is Joe from (after Eubank)1998-2006(before Lacy)? why no Unification during those 8 YEARS.. If he really wanted to fight the best why he did not fight the other title holders back then. Thats my only question..

[BIG H]

IM JUST WONDERING.. Where is Joe from (after Eubank)1998-2006(before Lacy)? why no Unification during those 8 YEARS.. If he really wanted to fight the best why he did not fight the other title holders back then. Thats my only question..

There simply weren't any big unification bouts out there until Lacy and Kessler!! The titlles were passed around all over the place. He didn't fight Mundine Beyer or Saica (or of whom were sh1t and wouldn't have enhanced his legacy anyway) but he fought Kessler who beat all three of those guys. He didn't fight Frankie Liles, but he beat Mitchell who beat Liles. Reid never had the title long, but he beat him, same with Woodhall.RJJ was already at Light Heavy - so couldn't unify against him, Sven Ottke - Would he have got any praise for beating that chump? So who should he have fought and didn't is the age old question!!

[Tysonbruno]

I love when people point to Calzaghe beating a well past it Eubanks as an example of his excellent resume. Or better yet...his win over an overhyped, one dimensional fighter in Lacy. Give credit to Joe for exposing Lacy...but anyone who thinks Lacy was a great challenge needs to have a word with themselves. His recent fight with Hopkins wasn't tremendously convincing of his "greatness" either. IMO he at the very least fought to a draw in that fight. Against a 43 year old opponent who threw only one punch the entire fight (the straight right). So shockingly enough...you can argue that Joe's biggest win in his career (and by big i mean over a PRIME, well regarded opponent)...is Kessler. Kessler is a solid fighter...but by no means (at this point anyways) a pound 4 pound powerhouse. Is a Joe a bum of a fighter...of course not. Is he one of the most overhyped fighters in recent years...absolutely. And it's true...Roy Jones doesn't have the greatest resume either. But he beat a clear p4p champion in their prime in Toney...something Calzaghe never has done. But Roy's impact on the sport transcends his resume...for the pure fact that he is one of the most athletically gifted fighters the sport has seen.

Just like you love it when tyson beat a well past it fat holmes?

Or when tyson beat burbeck?

Or when hopkins beat a blown up welterweight in trinidad or a blown up lightweight in de la hoya?

Or when jones fought 30 of his fights against useless bums.

I could go on and on.

WHY THE FUK DID ROY JONES NOT ACCEPT TO FIGHT CALZAGHE YEARS AGO WHEN CALZAGHE ASKED HIM FOR THE FIGHT?

WHY NOT?

Any other fighter and it would be classes as avoiding or 'ducking'...ah but i forgot...its roy jones, the man who's skill looked awesome against the greatest opposition in history ruiz and tony right?

WHY DID JONES NOT FIGHT CALZAGHE YEARS BACK WHEN THE OFFER WAS ON THE TABLE?

WHATS THE EXCUSE ON THAT ONE?

AT THE TIME of the offer - If Calzaghe had wanted Jones you get the fight by beating RJJ top contenders and calling him out , not by shouting from Wales. LOL
HAHAHA yes RJJ p4p world number 1 , fights in USA for the most part , hmm hes going to leave America to come to the hotbed of world boxing Wales , to fight a guy with the WBO SM title , LOL GET FUCKING REAL.

LOL good old Al