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[RP33]

If JT still wants to do it,sure Ill train him.
Key phrase is if he still wants to do it,we'll see what he wants to do when he gets back online. He'd be the boxer so its his call.

i'm not going to speak for him, but i wouldn't fight a pro that had that many fights.. there is still a learning curve in boxing, regardless of how natural it is to fight, and to step in with someone of that experience is just silly..

i want to fight one of these hillbilly characters who talk shit all day.. make youtube videos thinking they're real talented and stuff.. if i were to fight a legit pro, then it wouldn't be til after training for at least a year or two, and still i'd have a lot to think about.. these hillbilly guys, go in there and wave their hands, gassed after a round, i just want to shut them up.. and i THINK that that was JT's intention.. but again, i'll let him say what he has to say..

[Trainer Monkey]

If JT still wants to do it,sure Ill train him.
Key phrase is if he still wants to do it,we'll see what he wants to do when he gets back online. He'd be the boxer so its his call.

i'm not going to speak for him, but i wouldn't fight a pro that had that many fights.. there is still a learning curve in boxing, regardless of how natural it is to fight, and to step in with someone of that experience is just silly..

i want to fight one of these hillbilly characters who talk shit all day.. make youtube videos thinking they're real talented and stuff.. if i were to fight a legit pro, then it wouldn't be til after training for at least a year or two, and still i'd have a lot to think about.. these hillbilly guys, go in there and wave their hands, gassed after a round, i just want to shut them up.. and i THINK that that was JT's intention.. but again, i'll let him say what he has to say..

JT sounded pretty confident,and if I really thought it wasnt close I wouldnt even train him for it. I think he can do it, its a matter of,does he still want to.
If he wants not to do it,thats cool with me to, its his call,he's the one in the ring

[Andre]

If JT still wants to do it,sure Ill train him.
Key phrase is if he still wants to do it,we'll see what he wants to do when he gets back online. He'd be the boxer so its his call.

i'm not going to speak for him, but i wouldn't fight a pro that had that many fights.. there is still a learning curve in boxing, regardless of how natural it is to fight, and to step in with someone of that experience is just silly..

i want to fight one of these hillbilly characters who talk shit all day.. make youtube videos thinking they're real talented and stuff.. if i were to fight a legit pro, then it wouldn't be til after training for at least a year or two, and still i'd have a lot to think about.. these hillbilly guys, go in there and wave their hands, gassed after a round, i just want to shut them up.. and i THINK that that was JT's intention.. but again, i'll let him say what he has to say..

JT sounded pretty confident,and if I really thought it wasnt close I wouldnt even train him for it. I think he can do it, its a matter of,does he still want to.
If he wants not to do it,thats cool with me to, its his call,he's the one in the ring

You thinking of training him up to fight someone in particular Tm?

I have missed allot in here lately I seriously dont know the story; usually I dont read these posts but got directed here.

To be honest I feel embarressed for the name of Saddos by most of the posts made by these fellows from around the tail end of the sport and wish they were all back over at East side instead of here yelling at each other for no other reason than to expose their ego and the power it has over them all.

[Youngblood]

Take it back to the toughman contests where it belongs, I suggest. All of it.

There is a reason boxers aren't allowed to fight in the fooking things, and I tend to think the reasons should go the other way also.

Why don't you see a pro boxer fighting in a toughman contest? Because someone is going to get seriously hurt. If you're a betting person, who you gonna put money on? A pro boxer with a legitmate, substaniated record, or the guy who has 12 beer with his friends and on a lark and a laugh decides he is gonna join in to fight on some Saturday night and test his mettle? This fooker is gonna get his head taken off if he runs into a seriously trained professional. The rules are there for a reason.

It pisses me off to no end that people want to skip the process of forming legimate professional boxers and fast tracking ill-equipped, inexperienced fighters to walk into the realm. Moreso though, I fear the potential ramifications of it. There may be some very rare and gifted person who can make it, but I suggest it would be at the expense of many wannabes brains splattered across the canvas in the process.

As much that it pisses me off and worries me seeing what Stacy does, has done, it also pisses me off when I read a training section post with someone like Yusaf Mack giving his time and telling us where he is at in training...and having to read a follow up post suggesting we go check out Hartley and Dumas. Are you Fucking kidding me? Why in the world would I go see anything Hartley or Dumas related to understand what a pro goes through? If I want to see someone gas after 1 round and fight like shit, I can see that at my club just about every day, and usually more entertaining from guys that smoke a pack a day now, who atleast were once boxers, and now get into the ring and spar for fun and somehow still manage to last more then a round. These guys I know, I like them, some are my friends...but they sure as shit are not a measure of professional boxing.

And this isn't a slight against Andrew. I don't mind the guy. I even on some level like his spirit and stubbornness. But he is hardly a measure for anything professional boxing. Other then to point at and laugh. And he does have his place. He's the guy you put your potential up and comer against to assure an early career guaranteed win. But his safety needs to be considered also. How many times knocked out before his eyes close permanantly? "Well let us bring in people with zero experience and training to fight him." is not the answer. it is a disaster waiting to happen for someone.

And I'm just tired of it. Others are too I believe. I hope this has run its course and people are finally ready to move on. For let's face it, and be honest, only reason people watch this stuff is to laugh at. And I feel a bit bad watching those who get sucked into it trying to defend themselves who don't realize this. Even when Stacy says "it's for fun"...it is fairly obvious to see what he really means is...'it's for a laugh'.

"haha", thanks for the laugh. "haha", I like to sometimes watch midget muay thai too. But c'mon, let us not try to pretend it is something more then it is.

Please quit looking for an easy way into the limelight of a sport that requires much dedication, skill and will. Pay your dues like the rest of us, and make it on your hard work and merit. It hurts the sport, and this sport needs help...not hindrances. Not mockery. Earn your way. You cheat your way there, you cheat yourself and the very sport you are trying to represent.

[CFH]

Take it back to the toughman contests where it belongs, I suggest. All of it.

There is a reason boxers aren't allowed to fight in the fooking things, and I tend to think the reasons should go the other way also.

Why don't you see a pro boxer fighting in a toughman contest? Because someone is going to get seriously hurt. If you're a betting person, who you gonna put money on? A pro boxer with a legitmate, substaniated record, or the guy who has 12 beer with his friends and on a lark and a laugh decides he is gonna join in to fight on some Saturday night and test his mettle? This fooker is gonna get his head taken off if he runs into a seriously trained professional. The rules are there for a reason.

It pisses me off to no end that people want to skip the process of forming legimate professional boxers and fast tracking ill-equipped, inexperienced fighters to walk into the realm. Moreso though, I fear the potential ramifications of it. There may be some very rare and gifted person who can make it, but I suggest it would be at the expense of many wannabes brains splattered across the canvas in the process.

As much that it pisses me off and worries me seeing what Stacy does, has done, it also pisses me off when I read a training section post with someone like Yusaf Mack giving his time and telling us where he is at in training...and having to read a follow up post suggesting we go check out Hartley and Dumas. Are you Fucking kidding me? Why in the world would I go see anything Hartley or Dumas related to understand what a pro goes through? If I want to see someone gas after 1 round and fight like shit, I can see that at my club just about every day, and usually more entertaining from guys that smoke a pack a day now, who atleast were once boxers, and now get into the ring and spar for fun and somehow still manage to last more then a round. These guys I know, I like them, some are my friends...but they sure as shit are not a measure of professional boxing.

And this isn't a slight against Andrew. I don't mind the guy. I even on some level like his spirit and stubbornness. But he is hardly a measure for anything professional boxing. Other then to point at and laugh. And he does have his place. He's the guy you put your potential up and comer against to assure an early career guaranteed win. But his safety needs to be considered also. How many times knocked out before his eyes close permanantly? "Well let us bring in people with zero experience and training to fight him." is not the answer. it is a disaster waiting to happen for someone.

And I'm just tired of it. Others are too I believe. I hope this has run its course and people are finally ready to move on. For let's face it, and be honest, only reason people watch this stuff is to laugh at. And I feel a bit bad watching those who get sucked into it trying to defend themselves who don't realize this. Even when Stacy says "it's for fun"...it is fairly obvious to see what he really means is...'it's for a laugh'.

"haha", thanks for the laugh. "haha", I like to sometimes watch midget muay thai too. But c'mon, let us not try to pretend it is something more then it is.

Please quit looking for an easy way into the limelight of a sport that requires much dedication, skill and will. Pay your dues like the rest of us, and make it on your hard work and merit. It hurts the sport, and this sport needs help...not hindrances. Not mockery. Earn your way. You cheat your way there, you cheat yourself and the very sport you are trying to represent.

I'm with ya Youngblood. This is the only post I will make in regards to this situation because I will have no part in furthering it.

This whole thing is nothing but a farce of self-righteousness and self-promotion, by all parties involved. A fucking joke is what it is, a fucking joke perpetuated by persons who are involved in it for reasons which defy all logic. It makes this whole forum less by its very presence, but more importantly it makes a mockery of the sport itself, and that should be unacceptable for those who claim to be involved in it in a serious way.

I'm starting to wonder if everyone involved is in cooperation with one another to keep this idiocy going for the sake of their own self-promotion.

Take your viral marketing and shove it up your ass.

[Trainer Monkey]

Take it back to the toughman contests where it belongs, I suggest. All of it.

There is a reason boxers aren't allowed to fight in the fooking things, and I tend to think the reasons should go the other way also.

Why don't you see a pro boxer fighting in a toughman contest? Because someone is going to get seriously hurt. If you're a betting person, who you gonna put money on? A pro boxer with a legitmate, substaniated record, or the guy who has 12 beer with his friends and on a lark and a laugh decides he is gonna join in to fight on some Saturday night and test his mettle? This fooker is gonna get his head taken off if he runs into a seriously trained professional. The rules are there for a reason.

It pisses me off to no end that people want to skip the process of forming legimate professional boxers and fast tracking ill-equipped, inexperienced fighters to walk into the realm. Moreso though, I fear the potential ramifications of it. There may be some very rare and gifted person who can make it, but I suggest it would be at the expense of many wannabes brains splattered across the canvas in the process.

As much that it pisses me off and worries me seeing what Stacy does, has done, it also pisses me off when I read a training section post with someone like Yusaf Mack giving his time and telling us where he is at in training...and having to read a follow up post suggesting we go check out Hartley and Dumas. Are you Fucking kidding me? Why in the world would I go see anything Hartley or Dumas related to understand what a pro goes through? If I want to see someone gas after 1 round and fight like shit, I can see that at my club just about every day, and usually more entertaining from guys that smoke a pack a day now, who atleast were once boxers, and now get into the ring and spar for fun and somehow still manage to last more then a round. These guys I know, I like them, some are my friends...but they sure as shit are not a measure of professional boxing.

And this isn't a slight against Andrew. I don't mind the guy. I even on some level like his spirit and stubbornness. But he is hardly a measure for anything professional boxing. Other then to point at and laugh. And he does have his place. He's the guy you put your potential up and comer against to assure an early career guaranteed win. But his safety needs to be considered also. How many times knocked out before his eyes close permanantly? "Well let us bring in people with zero experience and training to fight him." is not the answer. it is a disaster waiting to happen for someone.

And I'm just tired of it. Others are too I believe. I hope this has run its course and people are finally ready to move on. For let's face it, and be honest, only reason people watch this stuff is to laugh at. And I feel a bit bad watching those who get sucked into it trying to defend themselves who don't realize this. Even when Stacy says "it's for fun"...it is fairly obvious to see what he really means is...'it's for a laugh'.

"haha", thanks for the laugh. "haha", I like to sometimes watch midget muay thai too. But c'mon, let us not try to pretend it is something more then it is.

Please quit looking for an easy way into the limelight of a sport that requires much dedication, skill and will. Pay your dues like the rest of us, and make it on your hard work and merit. It hurts the sport, and this sport needs help...not hindrances. Not mockery. Earn your way. You cheat your way there, you cheat yourself and the very sport you are trying to represent.

Actually not all Toughmans are like that,in some states they replace an amateur scene.In very rural states there just isnt much of an amateur scene,and what ammie scene there is,is focused around one city. So kids fight the Toughman circuit instead. WV is like that, most people invovled at all in WV boxing, which is growing pretty rapidly, couldnt pick out any of the ammie champs in a lineup, but they all know who won the Toughmans. If you want to fight ammie,youve got to drive all the way to Charleston to even get a fight. But a Toughman series will probably be arriving an hour from your house.
Now Rough N Rowdy's down here are absolute chaos. I dont know, I dont go to them. Even though I had a hand in traing a Rough N Rowdy champ, I also have a kid,and the phrase "not a family friendly enviroment" from what Ive heard,would be an understatement.

[Trainer Monkey]

i'm not going to speak for him, but i wouldn't fight a pro that had that many fights.. there is still a learning curve in boxing, regardless of how natural it is to fight, and to step in with someone of that experience is just silly..

i want to fight one of these hillbilly characters who talk shit all day.. make youtube videos thinking they're real talented and stuff.. if i were to fight a legit pro, then it wouldn't be til after training for at least a year or two, and still i'd have a lot to think about.. these hillbilly guys, go in there and wave their hands, gassed after a round, i just want to shut them up.. and i THINK that that was JT's intention.. but again, i'll let him say what he has to say..

JT sounded pretty confident,and if I really thought it wasnt close I wouldnt even train him for it. I think he can do it, its a matter of,does he still want to.
If he wants not to do it,thats cool with me to, its his call,he's the one in the ring

You thinking of training him up to fight someone in particular Tm?

I have missed allot in here lately I seriously dont know the story; usually I dont read these posts but got directed here.

To be honest I feel embarressed for the name of Saddos by most of the posts made by these fellows from around the tail end of the sport and wish they were all back over at East side instead of here yelling at each other for no other reason than to expose their ego and the power it has over them all.

you should see BoxRec's forum these days.
But yeah Stacy named a name he'd put him in with,and if JT wants to do it,its not a bad name to debut against.
If JT changes his mind,no harm no foul though

[Trainer Monkey]

If JT still wants to do it,sure Ill train him.
Key phrase is if he still wants to do it,we'll see what he wants to do when he gets back online. He'd be the boxer so its his call.

i'm not going to speak for him, but i wouldn't fight a pro that had that many fights.. there is still a learning curve in boxing, regardless of how natural it is to fight, and to step in with someone of that experience is just silly..

i want to fight one of these hillbilly characters who talk shit all day.. make youtube videos thinking they're real talented and stuff.. if i were to fight a legit pro, then it wouldn't be til after training for at least a year or two, and still i'd have a lot to think about.. these hillbilly guys, go in there and wave their hands, gassed after a round, i just want to shut them up.. and i THINK that that was JT's intention.. but again, i'll let him say what he has to say..

JT has a pretty good MMA backround, and what Stacy offered up isnt exactly a world beater. Its still JT's call though. If he feels maybe his fingers got away from his brains as it were, hey no harm no foul. Im just saying,if he wants to do it up,Ill help him try to get to his optimum as a freebie.

[JT Rock]

Im going to go with what rp33 said, to beat a trailer guy was the plan all along, I was willing to show that a guy with a heartbeat who is given the title of a PRO, meant nothing when a guy with disciplined training and a good gameplan could expose the ridiculousness of it.. Being a PRO is something that people train there ass off and put in the hardwork, blood and sweat and dedicate there life to their craft and even after all of that there is no guarnatee they will make a splash at the big dance

I mean I was pretty clear with that, I never shot my mouth off claiming I could beat a bona fied fighter,

[Trainer Monkey]

Im going to go with what rp33 said, to beat a trailer guy was the plan all along, I was willing to show that a guy with a heartbeat who is given the title of a PRO, meant nothing when a guy with disciplined training and a good gameplan could expose the ridiculousness of it.. Being a PRO is something that people train there ass off and put in the hardwork, blood and sweat and dedicate there life to their craft and even after all of that there is no guarnatee they will make a splash at the big dance

I mean I was pretty clear with that, I never shot my mouth off claiming I could beat a bona fied fighter,

Absolute yer call

[Youngblood]

No, it's not his call. It's Stacy 'King of the Bumfights' Goodsons call. haha And he likes it that way. I suspect the control makes him feel important or something.

Of course JT and RP33 wants to step in there and knock the stank off a few people making a mockery of the sport. Who doesn't? Christ all sorta people want to. I WANT TO! But I'm not going to, because it will only help perpetuate the silliness of it in the name of professional boxing.

Too bad these guys got their licences, because this would be better served in a parking lot, a basement, or yes...a toughman contest.

And bullshit Toughmans are amateur, or semi-pro or anything other then brawls for cash and fun...anywhere.

Rough N Rowdy (directly from its website)

-Must be between 18-39 yrs. old.
-Must not have more than 5 sanctioned amateur bouts.
-NO PROFESSIONALS ALLOWED!
-Must live within a 75 mile radius of event location.
-Must pass a pre-fight physical the night of the event.
-All applicants are subject to approval by promoter.
-Each bout is just 3 one minute rounds.
-No kicking or biting allowed!
-All contestants wear heavily padded 16 oz. gloves, headgear, groin protector, and a mouth piece. All necessary protective equipment is provided by the promoter.
-All bouts are sanctioned by a State Athletic Commission. The Boxing Commission appoints skilled referees, judges, doctors, cornermen, etc.
-All bouts are scored by a ten point must system.
-Contestants are scheduled to fight once on the first night. The winners return on the second night and compete in a single elimination tournament. The overall winners in each division will have fought once the first night and three or four times on the second night.
-Must be Rough N' Rowdy!!!

where are the kids supplementing for amateur here??

It isn't for kids. It is for adults and entertainment and no different then any other toughman. I just googled about 12 of them, toughman, and the rules are basically the same.

I'm not shitting on this...hey, if that is what people want to do, so be it. But it isn't close to the realm of professional. It in fact specifies NO PROFESSIONALS!! Limited amateur.

It isn't amateurs as it doesn't count for anything in boxing. USA amateur boxing out of Colorado had no affiliation. No boxing association has any affiliation with it, other then allowing some officials to partake in it. It doesn't replace it, and it is specifically for adults, and doesn't really have any progression to it. It is for people who want to jump in the ring and have a go. Which is fine...but blurring the lines between this and anything amateur and professional is B.S.

And this is essentially what the Trailer Park Series is, or was. Masked and marketed as professional boxing. A shit label for essentially a joke towards boxing. Yet Stacy thinks (or claims) he is doing a service.

Fucking joke, I say.

[Trainer Monkey]

No, it's not his call. It's Stacy 'King of the Bumfights' Goodsons call. haha And he likes it that way. I suspect the control makes him feel important or something.

Of course JT and RP33 wants to step in there and knock the stank off a few people making a mockery of the sport. Who doesn't? Christ all sorta people want to. I WANT TO! But I'm not going to, because it will only help perpetuate the silliness of it in the name of professional boxing.

Too bad these guys got their licences, because this would be better served in a parking lot, a basement, or yes...a toughman contest.

And bullshit Toughmans are amateur, or semi-pro or anything other then brawls for cash and fun...anywhere.

Rough N Rowdy (directly from its website)

-Must be between 18-39 yrs. old.
-Must not have more than 5 sanctioned amateur bouts.
-NO PROFESSIONALS ALLOWED!
-Must live within a 75 mile radius of event location.
-Must pass a pre-fight physical the night of the event.
-All applicants are subject to approval by promoter.
-Each bout is just 3 one minute rounds.
-No kicking or biting allowed!
-All contestants wear heavily padded 16 oz. gloves, headgear, groin protector, and a mouth piece. All necessary protective equipment is provided by the promoter.
-All bouts are sanctioned by a State Athletic Commission. The Boxing Commission appoints skilled referees, judges, doctors, cornermen, etc.
-All bouts are scored by a ten point must system.
-Contestants are scheduled to fight once on the first night. The winners return on the second night and compete in a single elimination tournament. The overall winners in each division will have fought once the first night and three or four times on the second night.
-Must be Rough N' Rowdy!!!

where are the kids supplementing for amateur here??

It isn't for kids. It is for adults and entertainment and no different then any other toughman. I just googled about 12 of them, toughman, and the rules are basically the same.

I'm not shitting on this...hey, if that is what people want to do, so be it. But it isn't close to the realm of professional. It in fact specifies NO PROFESSIONALS!! Limited amateur.

It isn't amateurs as it doesn't count for anything in boxing. USA amateur boxing out of Colorado had no affiliation. No boxing association has any affiliation with it, other then allowing some officials to partake in it. It doesn't replace it, and it is specifically for adults, and doesn't really have any progression to it. It is for people who want to jump in the ring and have a go. Which is fine...but blurring the lines between this and anything amateur and professional is B.S.

And this is essentially what the Trailer Park Series is, or was. Masked and marketed as professional boxing. A shit label for essentially a joke towards boxing. Yet Stacy thinks (or claims) he is doing a service.

Fucking joke, I say.

Youngblood,I tried to explain, and you missed it.
And I would point out Im not affiliated with either.
If you want to do Ammies in the state of WV, almost all the bouts happen in Charleston. And most of the time,you'll travel out there, and there is no bout when you get there. For a poor kid in WV a 3 hour drive in a rust bucket, is a long way off.
So as a way to bypass the ammie circuit, depending on level of ability, people do either Rough N Rowdy or Toughman. If they have training they do Toughman,if theyre hoping to get lucky they do Rough N Rowdy.
Having a champ come through here in both, makes me the gold standard for gyms in this state,most trainers here brag if theyve got a runner up.

[Youngblood]

No, I didn't miss it...I travel 10-16 hours for a fight and we threw our gym together here with piss, wishes and hope. And I'm as damn broke as anyone. I've worked papers since before I was 11 to pay for the gloves on my hands and the boxing shoes on my feet. So sob stories don't sell well on me. (ha...I said S.O.B. stories)

Anyway, I'm just grumpy and need sleep. Plus am getting fed up with this shit and hearing about it and Stacy and all this crap. I got nothing against what it is...we got it across the bridge here...like 2 miles away. But it ain't boxing. It's a rumble for some bucks.

[SOB]

The thing one should do , That is if they are so opposed to
a working class man getting in the ring as they have for over
a 100 years , They should make the government take that right
away !And no longer let them participate in the sport they love,
But since they lose those rights , They should also not have
to pay taxes either ! Oh wait , that means B-Hop would have starved
to death in that cage he was put in when he used to Rob middle
class working Americans.I know allot of states look at the bill
of rights is something you should just have hanging in a Museum
some were !I find it hard to believe with little kids get paralyzed
playing High School football that you can find some way of justifying
talking the right from David Dumas to participate as a club Fighter
after all people like Dumas used to pay for the room and board
for the great Hopkins !America needs to change allot and this
kind of horse sh*t is by far the 1st step !

[Gandalf]

The thing one should do , That is if they are so opposed to
a working class man getting in the ring as they have for over
a 100 years , They should make the government take that right
away !And no longer let them participate in the sport they love,
But since they lose those rights , They should also not have
to pay taxes either ! Oh wait , that means B-Hop would have starved
to death in that cage he was put in when he used to Rob middle
class working Americans.I know allot of states look at the bill
of rights is something you should just have hanging in a Museum
some were !I find it hard to believe with little kids get paralyzed
playing High School football that you can find some way of justifying
talking the right from David Dumas to participate as a club Fighter
after all people like Dumas used to pay for the room and board
for the great Hopkins !America needs to change allot and this
kind of horse sh*t is by far the 1st step !

You are such an idiot. Its difficult to know if you are making a post or writing some seriously fucked up poem with the way you line up your sentences. Regardless, you talk a lot of crap and contribute nothing meaningful or pleasant to this forum whatsoever. You are barely able to write a lucid sentence.

On this note, I advise people to stop replying and and perpetuating this nonsense. If you dont, it wont go away. Seriously.