IM JUST WONDERING.. Where is Joe from (after Eubank)1998-2006(before Lacy)? why no Unification during those 8 YEARS.. If he really wanted to fight the best why he did not fight the other title holders back then. Thats my only question..
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IM JUST WONDERING.. Where is Joe from (after Eubank)1998-2006(before Lacy)? why no Unification during those 8 YEARS.. If he really wanted to fight the best why he did not fight the other title holders back then. Thats my only question..
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There simply weren't any big unification bouts out there until Lacy and Kessler!! The titlles were passed around all over the place. He didn't fight Mundine Beyer or Saica (or of whom were sh1t and wouldn't have enhanced his legacy anyway) but he fought Kessler who beat all three of those guys. He didn't fight Frankie Liles, but he beat Mitchell who beat Liles. Reid never had the title long, but he beat him, same with Woodhall.RJJ was already at Light Heavy - so couldn't unify against him, Sven Ottke - Would he have got any praise for beating that chump? So who should he have fought and didn't is the age old question!!Originally Posted by antimoron
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There simply weren't any big unification bouts out there until Lacy and Kessler!! The titlles were passed around all over the place. He didn't fight Mundine Beyer or Saica (or of whom were sh1t and wouldn't have enhanced his legacy anyway) but he fought Kessler who beat all three of those guys. He didn't fight Frankie Liles, but he beat Mitchell who beat Liles. Reid never had the title long, but he beat him, same with Woodhall.RJJ was already at Light Heavy - so couldn't unify against him, Sven Ottke - Would he have got any praise for beating that chump? So who should he have fought and didn't is the age old question!!
i don't buy it.. if he holds all belts then this debate is over for sure.. why not collect all if he really wants to be called the UNDISPUTED CHAMP.. Reasons of no BIG UNIfICATION is not a valid ONE. isn't it is better if you hold a WBC,WBA,IBF and RING title than that WBO alone..
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Re: If Calzaghe's record is so bad, whose is better?
Depends what means more to you. Just cause a chump like Saica holds a belt, does beating him improve your legacy? If Calzaghe won 3 more belts off 3 stiffs, people would not give him adulation for being undisputed champion, they would say he won the titles off nobodies. Have you seen how many of the biggest fights in recent years have been non title fights? I mean Pac is p4p number 1 and he has only fought for world titles in about 3 of his last 10 fights!!There simply weren't any big unification bouts out there until Lacy and Kessler!! The titlles were passed around all over the place. He didn't fight Mundine Beyer or Saica (or of whom were sh1t and wouldn't have enhanced his legacy anyway) but he fought Kessler who beat all three of those guys. He didn't fight Frankie Liles, but he beat Mitchell who beat Liles. Reid never had the title long, but he beat him, same with Woodhall.RJJ was already at Light Heavy - so couldn't unify against him, Sven Ottke - Would he have got any praise for beating that chump? So who should he have fought and didn't is the age old question!!
i don't buy it.. if he holds all belts then this debate is over for sure.. why not collect all if he really wants to be called the UNDISPUTED CHAMP.. Reasons of no BIG UNIfICATION is not a valid ONE. isn't it is better if you hold a WBC,WBA,IBF and RING title than that WBO alone..
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Depends what means more to you. Just cause a chump like Saica holds a belt, does beating him improve your legacy? If Calzaghe won 3 more belts off 3 stiffs, people would not give him adulation for being undisputed champion, they would say he won the titles off nobodies. Have you seen how many of the biggest fights in recent years have been non title fights? I mean Pac is p4p number 1 and he has only fought for world titles in about 3 of his last 10 fights!!
i don't buy it.. if he holds all belts then this debate is over for sure.. why not collect all if he really wants to be called the UNDISPUTED CHAMP.. Reasons of no BIG UNIfICATION is not a valid ONE. isn't it is better if you hold a WBC,WBA,IBF and RING title than that WBO alone..
3 champ fights? get your facts straight mate.. Pac has been fighting world championship level since 98,he is currently the WBC Lightweight Champion, was formerly the WBC/Linear Super Featherweight Champion, The Linear/Ring Featherweight, IBF Super Bantamweight Champion and WBC/Linear Flyweight Champion and in the process he fought some HOF type not bums..and he is fighting most of the time away from his backyard.. So its not right if you compare his to JOE.. Again if Joe did what Pac did then theres no debate like this again.
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My facts are fine pal. You were talking about fights specifically for belts.Depends what means more to you. Just cause a chump like Saica holds a belt, does beating him improve your legacy? If Calzaghe won 3 more belts off 3 stiffs, people would not give him adulation for being undisputed champion, they would say he won the titles off nobodies. Have you seen how many of the biggest fights in recent years have been non title fights? I mean Pac is p4p number 1 and he has only fought for world titles in about 3 of his last 10 fights!!
3 champ fights? get your facts straight mate.. Pac has been fighting world championship level since 98,he is currently the WBC Lightweight Champion, was formerly the WBC/Linear Super Featherweight Champion, The Linear/Ring Featherweight, IBF Super Bantamweight Champion and WBC/Linear Flyweight Champion and in the process he fought some HOF type not bums..and he is fighting most of the time away from his backyard.. So its not right if you compare his to JOE.. Again if Joe did what Pac did then theres no debate like this again.
Pacs fights against Barerra (both times) against Valazquez, Battery, Morales (1 & 3), Larios & Solis were not for WORLD titles.
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You don't even understand what he's saying, he's not bagging Pac, he's making an argument as to why Joe didn't unify sooner. Take the anti out of your name.Depends what means more to you. Just cause a chump like Saica holds a belt, does beating him improve your legacy? If Calzaghe won 3 more belts off 3 stiffs, people would not give him adulation for being undisputed champion, they would say he won the titles off nobodies. Have you seen how many of the biggest fights in recent years have been non title fights? I mean Pac is p4p number 1 and he has only fought for world titles in about 3 of his last 10 fights!!
3 champ fights? get your facts straight mate.. Pac has been fighting world championship level since 98,he is currently the WBC Lightweight Champion, was formerly the WBC/Linear Super Featherweight Champion, The Linear/Ring Featherweight, IBF Super Bantamweight Champion and WBC/Linear Flyweight Champion and in the process he fought some HOF type not bums..and he is fighting most of the time away from his backyard.. So its not right if you compare his to JOE.. Again if Joe did what Pac did then theres no debate like this again.
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Re: If Calzaghe's record is so bad, whose is better?
HahahhaYou don't even understand what he's saying, he's not bagging Pac, he's making an argument as to why Joe didn't unify sooner. Take the anti out of your name.
3 champ fights? get your facts straight mate.. Pac has been fighting world championship level since 98,he is currently the WBC Lightweight Champion, was formerly the WBC/Linear Super Featherweight Champion, The Linear/Ring Featherweight, IBF Super Bantamweight Champion and WBC/Linear Flyweight Champion and in the process he fought some HOF type not bums..and he is fighting most of the time away from his backyard.. So its not right if you compare his to JOE.. Again if Joe did what Pac did then theres no debate like this again.
Spot on though mate, can't say anything bad about Pac and agree with his fight choices totally. As you rightly say, I was just pointing out that fighting a nobody for a belt does not always make sense, just to get a belt.
PS I owe u some Rep from earlier.
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