Best Super Middleweight of all time to date?

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Good ppints ICB

I did find it sort of funny how he mentioned how he is "amazed" how people judge fighters off of one or two performances

Yet he brings up how Roy lost to Tarver and Johnson and said Roy was in his "prime" doing them and pulls them out as reason Calzaghe would stand a chance. Isn't he sort of contradicting himself?

Ok fella...what does it take to beat calzaghe?

What does it take to beat mayweather?

YOU DONT KNOW, NO ONE DOES!

Because they have never been beaten yet, have they?

All of this 'prime roy jones wouldve smashed calzaghe' is a load of sh1t, because NO ONE KNOWS WHAT IT TAKES TO BEAT CALZAGHE as it hasnt been done before.

It might well be true that if they had fought then roy jones wouldve beaten joe calzaghe, but they didnt fight back then...they are fighting now.

So what are you gonna say if calzaghe wins?

Are you going to congratulate calzaghe or are you going to simply say 'but a prime roy jones wouldve beat him easy'...when you still have no idea what it would take to beat joe calzaghe as it hasnt been done before.

We know what it takes to beat roy jones, tarver did it twice and so did johnson...tarver is a tricky southpaw fighter, calzaghe is a tricky southpaw fighter...yet the laughable thing is that it is totally 'inconcievable' that a prime calzaghe couldve beaten a prime roy jones...where as if you look at jones' fights against tarver he was not at ease at all in them.

Does this not suggest that there is a possibility that he mightve been ill at ease whilst fighting an even trickier southpaw fighter in joe calzaghe?

'OOOOOOOOOOH shock horror...the 'totally inconcievable' thought that a prime calzaghe couldve beaten a prime jones'

I dont care for the talk of 'in their prime'...the facts are the facts...the funny thing is that if jones wins this then everyone will scream 'hes miles better than calzaghe' yet if calzaghe wins this theyll scream 'a prime jones is miles better than calzaghe'...when really THEY DONT HAVE A CLUE WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE:

a. Calzaghe will have just beaten jones
b. how the hell can they predict something that never happened?
c. how do they know what could beat calzaghe or what couldnt seeing as hes never been beaten before?

Sometimes i hope jones wins, because then at least i can say 'jones is definately better than calzaghe...end of'...AND IF JONES DOES WIN THEN I WILL SAY THAT JONES IS DEFINATELY BETTER THAN CALZAGHE, END OF STORY.

But if calzaghe wins (and depending how), then i will say that calzaghe is 'greater' than jones with regards to achievements and records. But im still open to saying that if they fought in their primes then it couldve gone either way.

You see, this is the difference between someone who analyses fights and has an OPEN MIND and someone who has a closed mind or is a hater.

With an open mind, if calzaghe wins comfortably i will say that jones may still have beaten calzaghe if they were prime vs prime...yet a hater will automatically say (regardless of how joe batters the sh1t out of roy, if he does) 'jones wouldve smashed calzaghe in his prime' when they simply dont have a clue.

I know what will happen after this fight if calzaghe wins a great victory.

1. calzaghe beats lacy, (haters thought hed lose) lacy is overhyped
2. calzaghe beats kessler, (haters thought hed lose) kessler is overhyped
3. calzaghe beats hopkins, (haters thought hed lose) hopkins is past it (yet then hopkins goes on to school pavlik, and previously school tarver and comfortably beat wright)
4. calzaghe beats jones, (haters thought hed lose) jones is past it and a prime jones wouldve 'easily bashed' a prime calzaghe.

Cant you see the pattern emmerging here?

Like i wrote, if jones wins i will rate him higher than calzaghe (infact at the moment i do rate jones higher than calzaghe at this point in time, but it would change if calzaghe wins), but if jones beats calzaghe then i will straight away say that jones is best supermiddleweight ever without a doubt.

But if calzaghe emphatically beats jones, would you not even consider the thought that he may have made it a close fight when jones was in his prime?

Or would you instantly say (regardless of how the fight goes) that a prime jones wouldve beaten calzaghe.

So youre saying that nothing calzaghe could do...even if he fought bhop again and beat him more comfortably than last time, if he fought dawson and beat him and if he demolishes jones then it still doesnt matter...because 'a prime roy jones wouldve kicked his ass'...

That does not sound like the opinion of an open minded fan of the sport of boxing...it sounds pure and simple like a hater!

your post just repeats the same shit over and over. and thats kinda stupid to say no one knows wat it takes to beat calzaghe when a 43 yr old bhop gave joe the hardest fight he ever fought and in my eyes joe didnt even win. and to say a PRIME ROY JONES at 168 doesnt beat calzage is just the dumbest shit i ever heard. roy was unbelievable at that weight and if joe was so great then he would have got more attention than roy did right?[/quote]

He did get more attention than roy, but only in the uk! Because he didnt go over to america to fight, thats his biggest mistake (although its his managers fault, not his).

But that settles it...we know what category you fit into.

Regardless of what calzaghe does, he could never beat a prime roy jones.

If the man walks on water, doesnt matter, he could never beat prime roy jones.

If the man goes upto beat klitscho, doesnt matter.

If he beats dawson, doesnt matter.

If he beats hopkins again but this time very convincingly...doesnt matter.

If calzaghe beats jones on the 8th, then we know which category youll fit into lol, you wont even congratulate the man or say well done to a legend, instead the first words coming outa your mouth will be...'a prime roy jones wouldve easily beaten calzaghe'.

Fortunately boxing writers and critics have an open mind and dont think like you.