What are you talking about, Obama made his campaign on not supporting the war and calling for a pullout.

The democrats in Congress at the time of the decision to go to war in Iraq were cowards politically, they still are, all politicians are, but they are the lesser of the two evils. I don't see how anyone can not see that, its nice to be ideologically pure and never compromise but that's for teenagers.

Do you really think that we would have gone to war in Iraq (not Afghanistan) if Al Gore had been president? If you do you're out to lunch.

And the idea that because Obama supported the bailout there is no difference between the two parties economically is again simpleminded. That is one issue, not the entire issue. If you think spend a shitload of money and lower taxes is a good plan, good for you.

I guess there's just a simple difference here, I don't see a point in just sitting back and whining because everything is not perfect, of course politics is corrupt, it is everywhere, but there are lesser evils. I was wrong in calling you cynical, you clearly are not cynical.

There's no point in arguing about this anymore, we are obviously of completely different minds.