After watching a prime Roy Jones on TV last night he was far from unbeatable.

[BIG H]

I ended up thinking the same to be honest.

Benn would have seriously got fucked up though

Lol - Benn is possible my favourite fighter ever, but he is overrated imo

Overrated in what way ? he took on dangerous opposition like Doug DeWitt, Iran Barkley, Michael Watson, Robbie Simms, Gerald McClellan, Henry Wharton ETC. His early struggles and losses were because he was too wild. Once he improved his boxing skills he become a much better fighter.

Agreed that when he was with Jimmy Tibbs and developed a more ronded style he improved. And don't get me wrong, he was a fantastic fighter, but I don't think he was a s good as Nunn, Toney McCallum or Jones. His losses against Eubank and Watson were bad losses, he was awful aganst Malinga, should've got sparked by Logan.

[ICB]

Lol - Benn is possible my favourite fighter ever, but he is overrated imo

Overrated in what way ? he took on dangerous opposition like Doug DeWitt, Iran Barkley, Michael Watson, Robbie Simms, Gerald McClellan, Henry Wharton ETC. His early struggles and losses were because he was too wild. Once he improved his boxing skills he become a much better fighter.

Agreed that when he was with Jimmy Tibbs and developed a more ronded style he improved. And don't get me wrong, he was a fantastic fighter, but I don't think he was a s good as Nunn, Toney McCallum or Jones. His losses against Eubank and Watson were bad losses, he was awful aganst Malinga, should've got sparked by Logan.

Maybe one of you oldies can help me out here, but i heard a fight between Michael Nunn vs Nigel Benn was supposed to happen in 1989 ? just before Nigel Benn fought Michael Watson ? what a fight that would of been Michael Nunn never quite achieved what he should have either IMO, and i think at his best he would of gave RJJ one of his toughest fights.

As for your other comment BIG H i agree he wasn't as good as those fighters above. And at times Nigel Benn struggled against lesser opposition when he should of mullered em, i still think he lost twice to Thulani Malinga.

But for what he was i think he done extremely well, and he never ducked anyone and took on all comers. And considering he only had like 20+ Amateur fights in the army or something didn't he ?

[ross]

I love Eubank and think he wouldve worn Jones down, Chris didnt like workers but he could work and take the biggest of punches, Roy would have found Chris's styl difficult to counter and Chris had awsome head movement, Chris would have found a way to win had they fought early in Chris's career.

Chris was worn out by the time he fought Collins, take a look at his career leading up to the Collins fight, traveling the world fighting opponents in their back yard and mostly went the distance because of the Watson fight Chris Eubank.

Eubank was something else, its a shame that Watson injury happened because it stole from him the killer instinct, he stood off from Collins in the rematch after putting him nigh on through the ropes in the tenth, Collins was sagged with his ass just hovering over the canvas, holding on to the ropes, I dont think they called it a knockdown but it should have, Collins was gone and only the ropes kept him up, then Chris stands off him and the round ends.

Also in the first Thompson fight, Chris was all opver him dropped him a few times, stood off and eventually Thompsons strtength gets him back in to the fight and somehow loses a decision, he gets stopped for a swollen eye in the rematch in the tenth while ahead on points, the swelling being scar tissue from the first only a few months before hand, he should have taken 6 months off.

Benn proved against McClellan that he is a danger at any point against anyone and to right him off is daft, you couldnt tell me that with Benns power and doggedness that a hard right hook wouldnt get through at some point, even if it were while Jones was opening up and show boating while the ref is waiting to step in and stop Benn

jones is over rated, he fought better comp late and payed for it, Calzaghe fought better comp late and proved everyone wrong

[Taeth]

I love Eubank and think he wouldve worn Jones down, Chris didnt like workers but he could work and take the biggest of punches, Roy would have found Chris's styl difficult to counter and Chris had awsome head movement, Chris would have found a way to win had they fought early in Chris's career.

Chris was worn out by the time he fought Collins, take a look at his career leading up to the Collins fight, traveling the world fighting opponents in their back yard and mostly went the distance because of the Watson fight Chris Eubank.

Eubank was something else, its a shame that Watson injury happened because it stole from him the killer instinct, he stood off from Collins in the rematch after putting him nigh on through the ropes in the tenth, Collins was sagged with his ass just hovering over the canvas, holding on to the ropes, I dont think they called it a knockdown but it should have, Collins was gone and only the ropes kept him up, then Chris stands off him and the round ends.

Also in the first Thompson fight, Chris was all opver him dropped him a few times, stood off and eventually Thompsons strtength gets him back in to the fight and somehow loses a decision, he gets stopped for a swollen eye in the rematch in the tenth while ahead on points, the swelling being scar tissue from the first only a few months before hand, he should have taken 6 months off.

Benn proved against McClellan that he is a danger at any point against anyone and to right him off is daft, you couldnt tell me that with Benns power and doggedness that a hard right hook wouldnt get through at some point, even if it were while Jones was opening up and show boating while the ref is waiting to step in and stop Benn

jones is over rated, he fought better comp late and payed for it, Calzaghe fought better comp late and proved everyone wrong

James Toney was more eluvise then Eubanks and harder to hit, yet Jones' speed and lateral movement while coming in just made all that upper body movement a detriment for James Toney as it would be for Eubanks. Eubanks would be one of the easier guys for Jones to beat, but eubanks like Calzaghe, like Nigel Benn wouldn't come over to face Jones because they were afraid, and so they demanded a bullshit amount of the purse which they knew Jones would never take.

The only reason Benn beat McClellan because he was there to be hit, people forget how hard it is to hit Roy JOnes Jr on the ropes and especially in the middle of the ring. Nigel Benn had really good power, but especially his movement would have hindered him. Roy was way too fast, way too good at adapting, and way too good at countering.

I think the one detriment against Roy as he went to LHW is that they couldn't handle his handspeed at all so he got lazy, and found it too easy to hit guys, that when he fought better athletes like Antonio Tarver along with the weight drain he just founded harder to land.

Roy is head over shoulders the best fighter of the 90's and early 2000's. Nobody in that period would have been able to touch him, except maybe Nunn like I mentioned. Even then Roy was a little faster, and had a lot more power.

[ross]

Best fighter of the Nineties?

Grow up!!

You have Ricardo Lopez, Pernell Whitaker and Azuma Nelson, who I can think of that were at least on the same level.

I cant vouch much further than that as I only really got in to boxing around the mid Nineties.

Also, Joe would have given each of these fighters a tough fight, if they were the same size.

[C-Lo]

yeh i was dthinking the same thing watching it.. dont get me wrong great fighter, but far from unbeatable..

I also feel that calzaghe would of given him a real test.. he would of bin all over Roy like a rash..

In his prime, Jones was unbeatable. Calzaghe at anytime would've made it a tough fight regardless.

It was'nt that I was not impressed its just I think your mind looks back on things in that past as better than they are now.


I have got all of Jones fights on DVD somwhere and in a lot of his fights he does very little.Just throwes the fast odd lead left hook then moves away not willing to take a chance to go for the KO.

Thats because sometimes his fights were so easy he didn't need to do anything more. Take the Richard Hall fight for example he could of finished him off in the 1st round, but instead he toyed with him like RJJ often did with opponents.

Jones definitely toyed with his opponents. I think he proved he could spark people out if he wanted to but he chose to showboat and milked the crowds.

[Mr140]

Roy Jones should of been in alot more fights that were better suited for his skill level if you ask me because look at all the fights he could of had. At the SMW he did not take and some at LHW which he should of taken. I do not feel like he was beatable Micheal Spinks was just akward enough and had the power to end Jones if he hit him he would hurt him bad. And also some may disagree but i thought Taver style was all wrong for Jones.

[Taeth]

Best fighter of the Nineties?

Grow up!!

You have Ricardo Lopez, Pernell Whitaker and Azuma Nelson, who I can think of that were at least on the same level.

I cant vouch much further than that as I only really got in to boxing around the mid Nineties.

Also, Joe would have given each of these fighters a tough fight, if they were the same size.

You could make an arguement MAYBE for Pernell Whitaker, but none of the others apply, also Whitaker tailed off at the end of the 90's, and even in his prime he did not dominate like Roy

They both had similar ability to not get hit, only Roy was much better offensively, much faster, better at throwing combinations, better and countering. I won't disrespect Whitaker's name because he was a legit fighter as are the other guys you mentioned but how long did Ricardo Lopez remain the top 1 or 2 fighters on the p4p list? Or Azumah Nelson? When Pernell was at his peak is when Roy stole it away from him when he beat Toney so emphatically, he got it "stolen" away by Mosley and Trinidad, but that was just politics. Pernell is a great fighter, but he wasn't on Roy's level. Either was Azumah Nelson, especially not in the 90's where he went 1-1-2 with Jesse James Leija, had Genaro Hernandez beat him, and he went 1-1-1 with Fenech(which is respectable), but Nelson isn't considered on the same level as Roy JOnes p4p all time. He was really good, but not that good.

Like Isaid originally Whitaker was the only guy you could really compare to Roy Jones Jr in the 90's or even in the 2000's nobody has been like Roy was in the 90's.

[Taeth]

I also agree Calzaghe would give them all trouble (except Whitaker) because he is on the Azumah Nelson, Ricard Lopez level. Definitely, he's a good fighter, but so was James Toney, so is obviously Bernard Hopkins, but Roy easily dispatched of both of them. I also think Roy's style is very hard for Calzaghe to beat, I think a guy like Whitaker who is more defensive oriented gives Roy tons of trouble, but Calzaghe isn't quite good enough IMO to defend against Roy. People said to me that Bernard wouldn't beat Pavlik, but I said the style is wrong for Pavlik, he can't deal with somebody he can't hit and somebody who moves a lot, and sure enough he couldn't get off at all. Everytime when Bernad was fresh that Calzaghe tried to come in Bernard was able to either dodge what Calzaghe threw or countered effectively, now Roy is much faster, and a better counter puncher then Bernard, if Bernard was quick enough to trouble Calzaghe with his speed, then Roy would have been way too much for him because as quick as Bernard comes forward with that right cross. Roy does it about twice as fast, and with twice as much distance on it, and it was twice as hard as B-Hop's punches in his prime. Not to mention he didn't just have that one punch he could come foward with, he could counter over the right jab with his left hook which he did, He could counter or come forward with that looping right hook to the body from the outside.

I just look at Bernard right now, and he is a great fighter, but at this stage in his career he could do one thing against Calzaghe(move and suddenly come forward with his right hand, with nothing else). As good as Bernard is at that game, Roy was better in his prime(please note that Bernard was also better at it closer to his prime(like against Trinidad).

[JonesJrMayweather]

Best fighter of the Nineties?

Grow up!!

You have Ricardo Lopez, Pernell Whitaker and Azuma Nelson, who I can think of that were at least on the same level.

I cant vouch much further than that as I only really got in to boxing around the mid Nineties.

Also, Joe would have given each of these fighters a tough fight, if they were the same size.

Didn't roy win fighter of the decade? The only one you mentioned that was close is Sweet pea and he didn't dominate like roy did. The 90's were all jones.

[bcollins]

Y'all must've forgot.