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Actually you need one to.
American slaves used to be routinely whipped to the bone, and children would be routinely stolen from their mothers for training purposes or selling purposes.
The shacks they lived in, are all gone mostly, except those that have been preserved, they were built so s-y
None of this,

"American slaves used to be routinely whipped to the bone, and children would be routinely stolen from their mothers for training purposes or selling purposes.
The shacks they lived in, are all gone mostly, except those that have been preserved, they were built so s-y"

disproves my point. All that "routine" behavior is completely typical of how human beings treat those that are "enslaved" to them. Because of the time period, their standard of living, (however sh$tty), was still better than those that came before them.

There is no historical data other than that associated with Nazi's, and the Bible (if you accept it as a credible source) that concludes or says that any group of people had it worse than the Jews.

But, you're the one who's going to give me a history lesson, so let's have all of your evidence that disproves anything I just stated.

Also, to the original point of the thread, there's never been a time in history when a conquered people (slaves), were freed because of the conscience of their captors, and then (this part is the exception; the slaves did not lead the revolt as in previous slave wars), the captors go to war with each other over their emancipation and consequently over 618,000 die. So I give kudos to the people of that century for having the presence of mind to end a brutal human practice, but I also fault the modern day blacks who whine and complain about mistreatment and all the while are squandering the greatest opportunity in history--we have a black president after all. Just think, without slavery, they'd still be on the wonderful continent of Africa. As truly glorious as I'm sure some places in Africa are, I don't see any mass movement of blacks back to Africa. They live in the greatest country in history and are afforded the greatest opportunity history- they should be thankful everyday for the sacrifices that put them here, just like everybody else who lives here.
Come now,youve seen a white couple cross the street when they see a black man, youve had a white friend tell this harrowing tale of how he ended up in a black neighborhood by accident.
Now considering the power structure of this country, and considering those very same pre-dispositions. When an African-American applies for a job, what do you think is going to happen?
Ive lived in predominantly African American communities, and even for those years when I heavily used drugs.
Even in their own neighborhood, if it was me and him, I knew I had the job.
We've come a long way,heck I have too, but dont fool yourself that we've come all the way
Look bro, I'm a white kid from the ghetto too, and I appreciate your candidness about addiction- seriously, congrats on being clean. That's a helluva hard thing for some people to over come and I'm glad you made it out.

Human beings will never cease to be "racist". Never, ever. It's completely primal. It's an ingrained trait to all humans to treat others differently from those you identify with. I'm kind of getting out of my league here, but in layman's terms, it stems from the moment you develop your sense of "you"; when you become aware that you are separate from your parents. In human behavior, we all have different ways of treating people: we treat ourselves differently than we treat our immediate family, then our friends differently than that, and then we have a unique way we deal with strangers. In an extremely generalized, summarized way of putting it, this is where "racism" comes from, in our treatment/reaction to strangers. Inherently, we take everything we know about someone's appearance/behavior and do a threat assessment. Pure and simple. Black people are 14% of the population (US), but responsible for a solid majority of the violent crime. So crossing the street to avoid a possible threat and avoiding black neighborhoods isn't racism, it's good common sense.

It's nothing specific to black people, it's just the rules of poverty. You would expect the same in Manchester or in parts of Ireland, Hong Kong, whatever.

So, my point is that racism will never go away, but despite the power structure and any predispositions, in America, there's plenty of opportunity for those who want it. Anybody who wants a job can get one, otherwise there wouldn't be 12 million illegal Mexicans here working. Oh sure, it may not be the job you want, but it's a job. There's a reason that on average Mexicans become middle class within 5 years of moving here, and that systemic poverty is a problem among blacks. ONLY BLACKS. Not Mexicans, Asians, Arabs, Whites, or any other ethnic group. Are the "controlling whites authorities" only suppressing black people?

Lookit man, I'm a middle class white guy living in the American South not 30 miles from a famous old plantation (Marlsgate), and my last 4 bosses were black people from the South- 3 men, 1 woman. Now these were educated professionals working in technical fields (Information Technology, Comunications Security, and Logistics Management) and making around 100k. They didn't need any sympathy from anybody- their words not mine: "Nobody's making you sell drugs or get pregnant in high school, and nobody's forcing you to make bad grades in high school." It only takes a "C" average and an 18 or better ACT score to get into a state college, and if you're black and poor, it's not only free, but you MAKE MONEY off the grants. YOU'RE PAID TO GO TO COLLEGE. And if you happen to make good grades at that state school, (usually a 3.8 or better), you can get into a damn good private college at an affordble rate if not for free.

Doesn't matter who you are, if you want it bad enough, you get can it. Some people have to work harder than others, it's a fact of life. But in America, it's not a problem of opportunity.