Julio Cesar Chavez Jr

[TitoFan]

Alright Tito i while give you this i think Chino was a bit hard on Cotto. But now on to the Oscar thing i think your mad because your favorite fighter is not as highly rated as Oscar and that i think that your dislike for him comes because of that. Now let me tell you why he is more highly rated reason being he able to move through weight classes with out getting schooled and was better to sell like you said he is more camera friendly as you can say i guess. But i hate Tito not going to lie still mad he got decsion i think Oscar was robbed in that fight but o well its over now i cant do anything about it. But let me tell you somthing that i think is important about Oscar he never quite even with his close loses and all never quite but Tito the secound he loses he quites throws in the towel to me Tito nothing but quiter to me. As for the money thing and Oscar let me remind you what ever you think about boxing it is for the money always has been it is called prize fighting for a reason and i dont know why it would matter to you if a fighter wanted to make money when ever day he puts his life risk why not get the money.

I know you're one of the forum's biggest Oscar fans, just like I'm one of Tito's biggest fans. Granted, there are things to be admired about Oscar, such as how he did move through a few weight divisions successfully. However, I don't count middleweight in there. And while both Tito and Oscar were unsuccessful in their bids at MW, I personally give the higher grade to Tito at that weight. After all, Tito DID knockout William Joppy in impressive fashion. What did Oscar do at that weight that was convincing? Anyway, like I said before... Oscar HAS done a lot for boxing, and for that I (huge boxing fan that I've always been) am grateful. I guess my dislike for Oscar comes from three basic reasons:

1. His being a media darling from day one. Hell, you'd think his sh*t didn't stink. Once you get that stamp from the media, you can do no wrong.

2. The blatant way he puts his "legacy" before all else, even when it means he has clearly avoided certain fighters.

3. He just comes across FAKE to me. I don't know... call it a gut feeling. Oscar has always seemed like a used car salesman, always giving you a pitch.

People always compare Oscar favorably against Tito, and yet when you look at the bare numbers: Tito had the better record overall, the higher KO percentage. Several of Oscar's KO victories were against fighters that Tito had already ruined. Case in point, Vargas. Why did Oscar wait until Tito had pounded the crap out of Vargas to agree to face him? 'Cause a pre-Tito Vargas would've ripped him a new one, that's why. As for Tito quitting every time he lost... well, I can't say I was too happy about his quitting after the Hopkins fight. I blame his father for a lot of his bad decisions. But Tito was his own man and should've parted ways with his dad on boxing-related matters. But hey... Tito in his peak was unequaled, IMO.

[Mr140]

Ok i while say this to you and tell me if i am wrong Tito started at what weight let me see 147 Oscar started at what weight let me see 130. So he moved up way more form his starting weight so to me Oscar has had a more succesful move even with out the MW divsion my friend. IF you llok at his record he has beaten alot more former champions then Tito even if he take into account the ones they both faced Oscar has beaten more. Also Oscar was top pound for pound i dont think Tito was ever that. And i never seen Oscar outclassed they way Tito has at any point but with being said i think you should look at Oscar record before WW he did alot there even more then Tito at WW but Tito was a good fighter but i dont think he was as skilled or acommplished more then Oscar did in his career i looked at the states and i see Oscar when divsion and champions beat.

[Chino]

How on God's green Earth can Chino compare JCC Jr. with Cotto? Even casual boxing fans will question that

Exactly, we can't compare them. Let me make it clear that I am not saying that Jr. is the greatest thing out there. No, far from that. And yes, I accept that Chavez Jr. record has been coddled or whoever you want to call it. I mean, he's pretty much an amateur fighting pros really. I repeat, I am not saying his record is the greatest, that he's #1 or anything, no no no. It's just that when people throw crap at him, they tend to forget he has no amateur record, no olympic exposure, no jr. olympic exposure, no golden gloves, etc. Now, if he did have an amateur career and all kinds of exposure out there then I would be complaining as well.

To say that Cotto had not faced anyone with a pulse before Margarito is to be blind to the facts about boxing and about boxers

Lots of Cotto fans thought he was the greatest out there after he faced Gomez. And I ask, was Gomez really a big threa? Oh pleaaaase. Paul Malignnani, was he a threat? Was Mosley and Judah in their prime? The guys you mentioned in his resume, check out their list of opponents and tell me if Cotto really has faced the greatest guys out there. He even struggled with journeymen he faced before and almost got saved by the referee. Always getting cut, getting rocked, etc. and that was against all those guys who are nowhere to be seen now. Then he finally steps into the ring with a guy in his prime and the results were horrible.

Now, let's address my constant putting down of Oscar on this forum. Let me state for the record that I agree that Oscar has done a lot for the sport of boxing. A lot of that has to do with his personality, good looks, cross-cultural appeal, and made-for-TV charisma, as much as it has to do with his boxing skills and record. So I thank him for that.

And now, in the twilight of his career, he brazenly goes after smaller, non-dangerous big names to "cement his legacy." Smart to some... cowardly to me.

When he faced Forbes people were all crying about it talking all kinds of crap about him but along came Cotto to face Gomez and people ended up praising him as one of his greatest victories ever.

Ok i while say this to you and tell me if i am wrong Tito started at what weight let me see 147 Oscar started at what weight let me see 130. So he moved up way more form his starting weight so to me Oscar has had a more succesful move even with out the MW divsion my friend. IF you llok at his record he has beaten alot more former champions then Tito even if he take into account the ones they both faced Oscar has beaten more. Also Oscar was top pound for pound i dont think Tito was ever that. And i never seen Oscar outclassed they way Tito has at any point but with being said i think you should look at Oscar record before WW he did alot there even more then Tito at WW but Tito was a good fighter but i dont think he was as skilled or acommplished more then Oscar did in his career i looked at the states and i see Oscar when divsion and champions beat.

I was about to say that too. I think both Tito and Oscar have an admirable resume and also have looked not so good lately.

[Mr140]

Well for me everyone is always bagging on Oscar but to tell you thruth do you think Margrito or Cotto would go farer the WW i think not my friend. Oscar started at a lower weight then both of them and was able to become champion in even higher divsion then both of them. If you took Cotto and Margritos careers and put them together still would not be as good as Oscar Del Hoyas to me the man can do what he wants you know why he can because he has earned it and he can get away with it any other fighter would do what Oscar does if they could so there.

[Chino]

Well for me everyone is always bagging on Oscar but to tell you thruth do you think Margrito or Cotto would go farer the WW i think not my friend. Oscar started at a lower weight then both of them and was able to become champion in even higher divsion then both of them. If you took Cotto and Margritos careers and put them together still would not be as good as Oscar Del Hoyas to me the man can do what he wants you know why he can because he has earned it and he can get away with it any other fighter would do what Oscar does if they could so there.

I didn't see it that way but yes, he pretty much earned it. It's not like he just came back from the olympics and said "Here I am, now woship me". Nope, he had to face all those top fighters, champions, etc. And beat them in different weights. It would be interesting to see any other boxer out there achieve what ODLH did.