How Do You Rank Jones, Calzaghe, and Hopkins ATGreatness As Of Now?

[Taeth]

Once again FENSTER, if you ever read what I post, I don't think Joe beat Bernard. So I don't consider that any more of victory for Joe then what Bernard did against Winky.

Tarver=weight drained junk when Bernard fought him
Wright=natural 154 pounder who moved up to fight Bernard because Winky fights anyone, anywhere, anytime, and he still lost by maybe a point on my scorecard. This doens't show to me that Bernard was in his prime that he could barely beat a guy way above his natural weight and past his own prime.
Against Calzaghe I saw a similar fight to Hopkins-Wright, except Bernard was able to land cleaner on Calzaghe. I think compubox was out to lunch on this fight.

[Fenster]

Once again FENSTER, if you ever read what I post, I don't think Joe beat Bernard. So I don't consider that any more of victory for Joe then what Bernard did against Winky.

Tarver=weight drained junk when Bernard fought him
Wright=natural 154 pounder who moved up to fight Bernard because Winky fights anyone, anywhere, anytime, and he still lost by maybe a point on my scorecard. This doens't show to me that Bernard was in his prime that he could barely beat a guy way above his natural weight and past his own prime.
Against Calzaghe I saw a similar fight to Hopkins-Wright, except Bernard was able to land cleaner on Calzaghe. I think compubox was out to lunch on this fight.

I know you think Hopkins won. You scored the fight 6 rounds each with Hopkins winning for the knockdown (see i read your posts ).

I'm stating FACTS though.

Even if Hopkins was passed his "prime" when beating Tarver, Winky, losing to Calzaghe and beating Pavlik.. he was still a formidable opponent. One of the very toughest in ALL boxing.

You can say Hopkins would beat Calzaghe in their primes.. BUT we'll never know. It's as simple as that. If you compare "prime" Hopkins record with Calzaghe's, who can you honestly say Hopkins beat that would have DEFINITELY beat Calzaghe?

[Taeth]

Once again FENSTER, if you ever read what I post, I don't think Joe beat Bernard. So I don't consider that any more of victory for Joe then what Bernard did against Winky.

Tarver=weight drained junk when Bernard fought him
Wright=natural 154 pounder who moved up to fight Bernard because Winky fights anyone, anywhere, anytime, and he still lost by maybe a point on my scorecard. This doens't show to me that Bernard was in his prime that he could barely beat a guy way above his natural weight and past his own prime.
Against Calzaghe I saw a similar fight to Hopkins-Wright, except Bernard was able to land cleaner on Calzaghe. I think compubox was out to lunch on this fight.

I know you think Hopkins won. You scored the fight 6 rounds each with Hopkins winning for the knockdown (see i read your posts ).

I'm stating FACTS though.

Even if Hopkins was passed his "prime" when beating Tarver, Winky, losing to Calzaghe and beating Pavlik.. he was still a formidable opponent. One of the very toughest in ALL boxing.

You can say Hopkins would beat Calzaghe in their primes.. BUT we'll never know. It's as simple as that. If you compare "prime" Hopkins record with Calzaghe's, who can you honestly say Hopkins beat that would have DEFINITELY beat Calzaghe?

I think he would, it would be a close fight, but Hopkins would still be sharper fighter, and he was much faster, and threw a lot of punches, I think stylewise Bernard in his prime was an even worse match up for Joe Calzaghe.

Fenster, don't get me wrong I think Calzaghe did very well against Hopkins, he adapted great, I don't criticize that he slapped it seemed the only way he could hit Hopkins the few times he did, but I thought going into it he was really going to be the first guy to really hand Hopkins his ass, but Joe couldn't do that at all. I was expecting more from him, but I am not saying that he isn't a great fighter either. I just think if you had taken his strengths (stamina and will to win), along with his physical attributes and actually tought him how to fight the same way Roy or Bernard learned he would be better than either of them. I don't feel the mistakes he makes help him be a better fighter, I think the things that make him a great fighter are his stamina and will, not his unorthodox punches, I think Roy has shown you can throw punches from a million angles, but still throw them crisply. I am not sure if Joe has/had the speed to quite throw them like Roy did, but he definitely would have been a monster with proper technique.