Joe Calzaghe P4P #1?

[Dark Lord Al]

no , Pacman is still number 1

[Kev]

He's done great things for sure but he doesn't top the pacman.

It will be interesting next month though. I mean Pacquaio is fighting a really tough fight against Oscar. If he loses that then by default he'll have to drop a place even though Oscar is bigger so Calzaghe may well be number 1 then.

I know Marquez if often ranked above him though but I don't think he can continue to be.

I don't see how a close defeat and a draw to the Pacman, and wins over an old Casamayor and old Barrera match up to wins over Jones, Hopkins, Kessler and Lacy. When you add in Marquez's loss to Chris John in the same time period as well it's really hard to argue a case for him being higher than Joe on anything except favouritism imo.

Especially in the light of Barrera clearly being finished as a top level fighter as demonstrated by his lacklustre effort against Pacquiao in the rematch.

Hopkins may be old but his performance against Pavlik shows he's still very much amongst the best in the world.

[GAME]

ofcourse joe is number 1 . nobody can rival what hes done

[intoccabile]

ofcourse joe is number 1 . nobody can rival what hes done

.......wtf?

So you can get p4p based onthe names you beat?
instead of the caliber they are at that time?
Roy was no better than Peter Manfredo in that fight.
Hell no he doesn't get p4p for that.

[GAME]

Lacy and Kessler were both highly touted undfeated champions at the time ? Joe has also beaten the legends ? Hes reigned for over a decade ?

Its a no brainer

[intoccabile]

Lacy and Kessler were both highly touted undfeated champions at the time ? Joe has also beaten the legends ? Hes reigned for over a decade ?

Its a no brainer

Lol i really hope you're being sarcastic.

Joe in his last interview talks about how he Beat Kessler, Reigned for a decade, and beat 2 american legends.

He never mentions lacy or any other fights. He knows just as well as we do that those guys were nothing.

Look what Pac has done, how many divisions he's been in, how he handled Barrera twice, his war with JMM and Morales. His clinic on diaz and now a possible win over Oscar.

There's no question who is p4p.

[GAME]

Lacy and Kessler were both highly touted undfeated champions at the time ? Joe has also beaten the legends ? Hes reigned for over a decade ?

Its a no brainer

Lol i really hope you're being sarcastic.

Joe in his last interview talks about how he Beat Kessler, Reigned for a decade, and beat 2 american legends.

He never mentions lacy or any other fights. He knows just as well as we do that those guys were nothing.

Look what Pac has done, how many divisions he's been in, how he handled Barrera twice, his war with JMM and Morales. His clinic on diaz and now a possible win over Oscar.

There's no question who is p4p.

Okay so lets compare Pacs record to Joes then .

Pac has been knocked clean out TWICE by guys who were nowhere near world class. He has had a couple of draws with Sanchez and Marquez ( should have lost both ) yeah he beats up washed up guys like Morales and Barrera but a washed up Morales also beat Pac and Pacs biggest win was his decision over Marquez who most people belive ( even the filipino media ) than Marquez deserved the decision . Now he is about to get knocked out again by a washed up De La Hoya.

Joe has beat everyone he has ever faced and has fought consistantly in world class longer than any other active boxer. There can be no debate about who is better . Its clearly Calzaghe

[Taeth]

Lacy and Kessler were both highly touted undfeated champions at the time ? Joe has also beaten the legends ? Hes reigned for over a decade ?

Its a no brainer

Lacy sucks, did you see his last fight?, Kessler I give him credit for, Hopkins I give him credit for, but Roy isn't a legend at this stage in his career, Joe had the perfect style to beat him.

[Mark TKO]

I agree with Bilbo

Even if Manny puts on a great performance and loses to the much bigger Oscar you still have to drop him after a defeat.

I can't see him beating Oscar so December 7th could see Joe finally top the Ring p4p rankings

[Taeth]

Hopkins beating Pavlik worse tops this, and if you consider their fight really close then Hopkins has a "Draw" against Calzaghe, he beat Wright old or not is as good as KEssler IMO, Tarver, and now Pavlik. Maybe he should be ahead of Calzaghe .

J.k I still think Pacquaio has the better resume guys like Barrera and Morales weren't as washed up as Jones when Pacquaio tore them a new one, and he beat JMM who is a great fighter as well(who is still fighting great).

[Kev]

Hopkins beating Pavlik worse tops this, and if you consider their fight really close then Hopkins has a "Draw" against Calzaghe, he beat Wright old or not is as good as KEssler IMO, Tarver, and now Pavlik. Maybe he should be ahead of Calzaghe .

J.k I still think Pacquaio has the better resume guys like Barrera and Morales weren't as washed up as Jones when Pacquaio tore them a new one, and he beat JMM who is a great fighter as well(who is still fighting great).

You don't think Morales was as washed up as Jones Jr?

So defeats to Zahir Raheem and David Diaz showed he was still at the top of his game right? Gimme a break Morales was done then. A couple years earlier whilst still past his best he got a win over Pacquio.

The first win over Barrera was sensational but the rematch was nothing more than a routine win over a aged fighter happy to go the distance.

Marquez is still very much in form, and he pushed Pacquaio to his limits.

No doubt Manny is p4p number 1 though his overal resume is superb, bit his recent performances in the last couple years havn't eclipsed Joe at all.

Calzaghe at super feather and lightweight would have won just the same

[ICB]

Hopkins beating Pavlik worse tops this, and if you consider their fight really close then Hopkins has a "Draw" against Calzaghe, he beat Wright old or not is as good as KEssler IMO, Tarver, and now Pavlik. Maybe he should be ahead of Calzaghe .

J.k I still think Pacquaio has the better resume guys like Barrera and Morales weren't as washed up as Jones when Pacquaio tore them a new one, and he beat JMM who is a great fighter as well(who is still fighting great).

You don't think Morales was as washed up as Jones Jr?

So defeats to Zahir Raheem and David Diaz showed he was still at the top of his game right? Gimme a break Morales was done then. A couple years earlier whilst still past his best he got a win over Pacquio.

The first win over Barrera was sensational but the rematch was nothing more than a routine win over a aged fighter happy to go the distance.

Marquez is still very much in form, and he pushed Pacquaio to his limits.

No doubt Manny is p4p number 1 though his overal resume is superb, bit his recent performances in the last couple years havn't eclipsed Joe at all.

Calzaghe at super feather and lightweight would have won just the same

P4P JMM is all wrong for Joe Calzaghe.

[Beanflicker]

You don't think Morales was as washed up as Jones Jr?

So defeats to Zahir Raheem and David Diaz showed he was still at the top of his game right? Gimme a break Morales was done then. A couple years earlier whilst still past his best he got a win over Pacquio.

May have been done, but he wasn't a guy who relied as heavily on reflexes and speed as Roy was.

I still say Pac is #1, and if Pac manages to pull a miracle against Oscar there is no way Calzaghe can up that.

[XaduBoxer]

latest Ring P4P ratings as of November 10, 2008:

[Majesty]

I was reading this and I thought of a point i'd like to ask you what to think.

Is someones p4p status in question if their biggest victories are always in question?

Because the only unmistakable uncriticized performance of Calzaghe was his domination of Kessler.

But there is always a but at the end of his other victories.

Roy Jones - Roy was past his prime and even then had Joe on dream street in the first round

Hopkins - Was a split decision and many felt Hopkins won

Lacy - american hype job that struggled against lesser competition that actually boxed him

Eubank - Eubank was weight drained and/or wasn't mentally the same fighter he was after the Watson fight.



Does it effect Joe's p4p status that most of his biggest wins have some sort of taint on them. Because imo p4p means you dominate everyone in their prime whether or not they are the hugest name. But that when it came to your biggest wins are against people in their prime. (Ray Leonard beat Hearns in his prime etc, Ali beat Foreman in his prime etc)

Hindsight is 20/20 but the only true credible prime Joe beat was Kessler, and I mean that in terms of no one questions it or criticizes Joe for it. Not like they do Lacy anyway.

If you look at someone like Pacquiao his biggest wins are almost never in question.

or if you look at Mayweather who's only question was against Castillo which he corrected later on.


Does this effect his ranking in p4p?