Who won Calzaghe or Hopkins? Vote here.

[Fenster]

Calzaghe fights the same in every fight. he looked no different against nard than he did others. Difference is Nard is so slippery. He wouldn't do any better. He'd probably do worse now that Nard knows Cal will throw even if he's hitting nothing.

Don't think so.. he'd beat Hopkins much easier if they fought again.

First off - It was Calzaghe's first fight at 175.

Secondly - It wont be in Hopkins USA backyard.

Even with ALL the advantages last time Hopkins STILL couldn't win. By rights Hopkins should have been thrown-out for cheating in the 10th round.

You're clearly a fanboy. If hopkins increases his volume even a fraction of what he did in the first fight ,he wins. It's that simple. You should also follow bhops career a bit better. He's often times been called teh dirtiest fighter in the game for a reason.

What he did in the 10th? He's done in about 6 or 7 other fights. The whole low blow thing was de ja vu for me, having seen all of bhops fights.

I'm a fanboy for telling the truth? Fair enough.

So.. you advocate CHEATING!!! Thats pretty low man. You would rather see a fighter win from fraudulent theatrics than fair and square?

[intoccabile]

Don't think so.. he'd beat Hopkins much easier if they fought again.

First off - It was Calzaghe's first fight at 175.

Secondly - It wont be in Hopkins USA backyard.

Even with ALL the advantages last time Hopkins STILL couldn't win. By rights Hopkins should have been thrown-out for cheating in the 10th round.

You're clearly a fanboy. If hopkins increases his volume even a fraction of what he did in the first fight ,he wins. It's that simple. You should also follow bhops career a bit better. He's often times been called teh dirtiest fighter in the game for a reason.

What he did in the 10th? He's done in about 6 or 7 other fights. The whole low blow thing was de ja vu for me, having seen all of bhops fights.

I'm a fanboy for telling the truth? Fair enough.

So.. you advocate CHEATING!!! Thats pretty low man. You would rather see a fighter win from fraudulent theatrics than fair and square?

I didn't say i advocate anything. I'm just saying, he does it all the time. And it wasn't cheating an any way. It was exaggerating the truth. He was hit low, it didn't hurt, but he exaggerated it.

When people are hit in the back of the head, even grazed, they always complain and tell the ref.. sometimes making it to be something more than it is.

It's call winning. Some people do whatever it takes to win, bernard is one of them.
If i get hit low, even if it doesnt hurt, and i have a chance to use that against my opponent.. why shouldn't I? That's either a point taken from him, or 5 minutes for me to rest. Bhop is smart.

[Gandalf]

You're clearly a fanboy. If hopkins increases his volume even a fraction of what he did in the first fight ,he wins. It's that simple. You should also follow bhops career a bit better. He's often times been called teh dirtiest fighter in the game for a reason.

What he did in the 10th? He's done in about 6 or 7 other fights. The whole low blow thing was de ja vu for me, having seen all of bhops fights.

I'm a fanboy for telling the truth? Fair enough.

So.. you advocate CHEATING!!! Thats pretty low man. You would rather see a fighter win from fraudulent theatrics than fair and square?

I didn't say i advocate anything. I'm just saying, he does it all the time. And it wasn't cheating an any way. It was exaggerating the truth. He was hit low, it didn't hurt, but he exaggerated it.

When people are hit in the back of the head, even grazed, they always complain and tell the ref.. sometimes making it to be something more than it is.

It's call winning. Some people do whatever it takes to win, bernard is one of them.
If i get hit low, even if it doesnt hurt, and i have a chance to use that against my opponent.. why shouldn't I? That's either a point taken from him, or 5 minutes for me to rest. Bhop is smart.

BHop is smart, but he is also a dirty cheat. And to make excuses for it is a reflection upon yourself. The way you talk, you are nothing but a fan boy yourself. And also a hater.

Didnt you say you saw "no way of seeing how Jones could lose to Calzaghe?" And two days later you remarkably pronounce that Jones Jr is shot.

Thats some boxing knowledge right there. Amazing insight.

And here you are telling us that BHop would most likely do better in a rematch. Do you really think Calzaghe would go in with exactly the same gameplan as well. Is it really "that simple"? Hopkins throws a bit more and wins?

And you are telling other people they are fanboys?? Wow.

[mrodub]

I am not a fan of calzaghe but he won fair and square bhop resorted to cheating and turned it into a holding match because he could do nothing else this is not how you win this is how you get people to say it was close because no one landed anything thats not a champ in my opinion thats a boring fighter who has a good boxing brain and knows how to survive without getting hurt and not making the other guy look good

[HattonTheHammer]

Seen the fight 3 times and each time i scored it 115-112 for calzaghe with what should of been a hopkins points deduction for blatant headbutts 3 or 4 times.

Calzaghe came to fight, hopkins came to spoil

[bambamdaddio]

Seen the fight 3 times and each time i scored it 115-112 for calzaghe with what should of been a hopkins points deduction for blatant headbutts 3 or 4 times.

Calzaghe came to fight, hopkins came to spoil

Thats as I saw it too bud..

[bambamdaddio]

I am not a fan of calzaghe but he won fair and square bhop resorted to cheating and turned it into a holding match because he could do nothing else this is not how you win this is how you get people to say it was close because no one landed anything thats not a champ in my opinion thats a boring fighter who has a good boxing brain and knows how to survive without getting hurt and not making the other guy look good

Seconded bud

[intoccabile]

I'm a fanboy for telling the truth? Fair enough.

So.. you advocate CHEATING!!! Thats pretty low man. You would rather see a fighter win from fraudulent theatrics than fair and square?

I didn't say i advocate anything. I'm just saying, he does it all the time. And it wasn't cheating an any way. It was exaggerating the truth. He was hit low, it didn't hurt, but he exaggerated it.

When people are hit in the back of the head, even grazed, they always complain and tell the ref.. sometimes making it to be something more than it is.

It's call winning. Some people do whatever it takes to win, bernard is one of them.
If i get hit low, even if it doesnt hurt, and i have a chance to use that against my opponent.. why shouldn't I? That's either a point taken from him, or 5 minutes for me to rest. Bhop is smart.

BHop is smart, but he is also a dirty cheat. And to make excuses for it is a reflection upon yourself. The way you talk, you are nothing but a fan boy yourself. And also a hater.

Didnt you say you saw "no way of seeing how Jones could lose to Calzaghe?" And two days later you remarkably pronounce that Jones Jr is shot.

Thats some boxing knowledge right there. Amazing insight.

And here you are telling us that BHop would most likely do better in a rematch. Do you really think Calzaghe would go in with exactly the same gameplan as well. Is it really "that simple"? Hopkins throws a bit more and wins?

And you are telling other people they are fanboys?? Wow.

A hater, how? By stating the obvious? And yes I said there's no way I See jones losing to calzaghe, and stated why. And for a few rounds jones showed exactly what I thought would be the case before succumbing to pressure. So I wasn't entirely wrong at all.

In my prediction, i said if jones doesn't take any rounds off he wins. Just so happends, he took 9 rounds off.

Explain to me how I'm being a fan boy in anyway, please? Everyone on this board has the biggest hard on for Joe Calzaghe for reasons unknown. and when someone states somethign blatantly obvious that just so happends to be "against" your beloved Joe Calzaghe, you guys get offended.

Pull Joes dick out of your mouth and see the facts, please. The facts are EVERY fighter is guilty of doing what it takes to win even if that means stretching the truth. A victory is a victory. Joe should have kept his hands up then hopkins would have never been able to stretch any truths, because there would be nothing to stretch.

and YES it IS that simple. Hopkins throws a bit more and wins. Please, name me one fight where Joe Calzaghe actually fought differently than his usual. He's the same fighter every night. He has a Plan A, and plan A seems to ALWAYS work. Because his Plan A is so good, he never needs a Plan B or C. This is me admitting Joe Calzaghe's greatness.. so explain to me how I'm a fan boy?

But at the same time, without ever needing a Plan B or C, we don't know if he needs one now. If it aint broke, dont fix it. That was bhops mentality for a very long time and obviously he saw that it was broken against Calzaghe, he'd fix it in a rematch.

Calzaghe fought bhop the same way he's fought everyone. He'll most likely come out and implement the same plan the next time because 1. It's the only plan he has. and 2. It worked the first time.. why switch it? This isn't rocket science.

Bhop works a little more, and wins. It's that simple. His defense isn't going to change any. Calzaghe won't do anything different to hit Bernard More. So it really comes down to wether bhop wants to engage a bit more or not.

[mrodub]

LOL you were wrong he lost you said you could not see how he could lose well he lost LOL

[Pugilistic]

I thought Hopkins edged it by a point.

It was a fight though that could of gone either way and i can't complain about the decision.

I personally would like to see a rematch.

[Kev]

I didn't say i advocate anything. I'm just saying, he does it all the time. And it wasn't cheating an any way. It was exaggerating the truth. He was hit low, it didn't hurt, but he exaggerated it.

When people are hit in the back of the head, even grazed, they always complain and tell the ref.. sometimes making it to be something more than it is.

It's call winning. Some people do whatever it takes to win, bernard is one of them.
If i get hit low, even if it doesnt hurt, and i have a chance to use that against my opponent.. why shouldn't I? That's either a point taken from him, or 5 minutes for me to rest. Bhop is smart.

BHop is smart, but he is also a dirty cheat. And to make excuses for it is a reflection upon yourself. The way you talk, you are nothing but a fan boy yourself. And also a hater.

Didnt you say you saw "no way of seeing how Jones could lose to Calzaghe?" And two days later you remarkably pronounce that Jones Jr is shot.

Thats some boxing knowledge right there. Amazing insight.

And here you are telling us that BHop would most likely do better in a rematch. Do you really think Calzaghe would go in with exactly the same gameplan as well. Is it really "that simple"? Hopkins throws a bit more and wins?

And you are telling other people they are fanboys?? Wow.

A hater, how? By stating the obvious? And yes I said there's no way I See jones losing to calzaghe, and stated why. And for a few rounds jones showed exactly what I thought would be the case before succumbing to pressure. So I wasn't entirely wrong at all.

In my prediction, i said if jones doesn't take any rounds off he wins. Just so happends, he took 9 rounds off.

Explain to me how I'm being a fan boy in anyway, please? Everyone on this board has the biggest hard on for Joe Calzaghe for reasons unknown. and when someone states somethign blatantly obvious that just so happends to be "against" your beloved Joe Calzaghe, you guys get offended.

Pull Joes dick out of your mouth and see the facts, please. The facts are EVERY fighter is guilty of doing what it takes to win even if that means stretching the truth. A victory is a victory. Joe should have kept his hands up then hopkins would have never been able to stretch any truths, because there would be nothing to stretch.

and YES it IS that simple. Hopkins throws a bit more and wins. Please, name me one fight where Joe Calzaghe actually fought differently than his usual. He's the same fighter every night. He has a Plan A, and plan A seems to ALWAYS work. Because his Plan A is so good, he never needs a Plan B or C. This is me admitting Joe Calzaghe's greatness.. so explain to me how I'm a fan boy?

But at the same time, without ever needing a Plan B or C, we don't know if he needs one now. If it aint broke, dont fix it. That was bhops mentality for a very long time and obviously he saw that it was broken against Calzaghe, he'd fix it in a rematch.

Calzaghe fought bhop the same way he's fought everyone. He'll most likely come out and implement the same plan the next time because 1. It's the only plan he has. and 2. It worked the first time.. why switch it? This isn't rocket science.

Bhop works a little more, and wins. It's that simple. His defense isn't going to change any. Calzaghe won't do anything different to hit Bernard More. So it really comes down to wether bhop wants to engage a bit more or not.

haha was this post a joke?

Jones would have won had he not taken 9 rounds off! He must be really kicking himself now he realises his fight plan of getting battered and busted up against the ropes didn't work. 'If only I fought back' he must be saying

And Hopkins who could barely finish the first Calzaghe fight as it was without taking 5 minute breaks during rounds must also be regretting that he forgot to throw punches in the second half of the fight.

He was obviously so preoccupied with winning and making Joe look bad that he forgot the small matter of trying to actually land blows himself.

[mrodub]

BHop is smart, but he is also a dirty cheat. And to make excuses for it is a reflection upon yourself. The way you talk, you are nothing but a fan boy yourself. And also a hater.

Didnt you say you saw "no way of seeing how Jones could lose to Calzaghe?" And two days later you remarkably pronounce that Jones Jr is shot.

Thats some boxing knowledge right there. Amazing insight.

And here you are telling us that BHop would most likely do better in a rematch. Do you really think Calzaghe would go in with exactly the same gameplan as well. Is it really "that simple"? Hopkins throws a bit more and wins?

And you are telling other people they are fanboys?? Wow.

A hater, how? By stating the obvious? And yes I said there's no way I See jones losing to calzaghe, and stated why. And for a few rounds jones showed exactly what I thought would be the case before succumbing to pressure. So I wasn't entirely wrong at all.

In my prediction, i said if jones doesn't take any rounds off he wins. Just so happends, he took 9 rounds off.

Explain to me how I'm being a fan boy in anyway, please? Everyone on this board has the biggest hard on for Joe Calzaghe for reasons unknown. and when someone states somethign blatantly obvious that just so happends to be "against" your beloved Joe Calzaghe, you guys get offended.

Pull Joes dick out of your mouth and see the facts, please. The facts are EVERY fighter is guilty of doing what it takes to win even if that means stretching the truth. A victory is a victory. Joe should have kept his hands up then hopkins would have never been able to stretch any truths, because there would be nothing to stretch.

and YES it IS that simple. Hopkins throws a bit more and wins. Please, name me one fight where Joe Calzaghe actually fought differently than his usual. He's the same fighter every night. He has a Plan A, and plan A seems to ALWAYS work. Because his Plan A is so good, he never needs a Plan B or C. This is me admitting Joe Calzaghe's greatness.. so explain to me how I'm a fan boy?

But at the same time, without ever needing a Plan B or C, we don't know if he needs one now. If it aint broke, dont fix it. That was bhops mentality for a very long time and obviously he saw that it was broken against Calzaghe, he'd fix it in a rematch.

Calzaghe fought bhop the same way he's fought everyone. He'll most likely come out and implement the same plan the next time because 1. It's the only plan he has. and 2. It worked the first time.. why switch it? This isn't rocket science.

Bhop works a little more, and wins. It's that simple. His defense isn't going to change any. Calzaghe won't do anything different to hit Bernard More. So it really comes down to wether bhop wants to engage a bit more or not.

haha was this post a joke?

Jones would have won had he not taken 9 rounds off! He must be really kicking himself now he realises his fight plan of getting battered and busted up against the ropes didn't work. 'If only I fought back' he must be saying

And Hopkins who could barely finish the first Calzaghe fight as it was without taking 5 minute breaks during rounds must also be regretting that he forgot to throw punches in the second half of the fight.

He was obviously so preoccupied with winning and making Joe look bad that he forgot the small matter of trying to actually land blows himself.

LOL well said

[Gandalf]

I didn't say i advocate anything. I'm just saying, he does it all the time. And it wasn't cheating an any way. It was exaggerating the truth. He was hit low, it didn't hurt, but he exaggerated it.

When people are hit in the back of the head, even grazed, they always complain and tell the ref.. sometimes making it to be something more than it is.

It's call winning. Some people do whatever it takes to win, bernard is one of them.
If i get hit low, even if it doesnt hurt, and i have a chance to use that against my opponent.. why shouldn't I? That's either a point taken from him, or 5 minutes for me to rest. Bhop is smart.

BHop is smart, but he is also a dirty cheat. And to make excuses for it is a reflection upon yourself. The way you talk, you are nothing but a fan boy yourself. And also a hater.

Didnt you say you saw "no way of seeing how Jones could lose to Calzaghe?" And two days later you remarkably pronounce that Jones Jr is shot.

Thats some boxing knowledge right there. Amazing insight.

And here you are telling us that BHop would most likely do better in a rematch. Do you really think Calzaghe would go in with exactly the same gameplan as well. Is it really "that simple"? Hopkins throws a bit more and wins?

And you are telling other people they are fanboys?? Wow.

A hater, how? By stating the obvious? And yes I said there's no way I See jones losing to calzaghe, and stated why. And for a few rounds jones showed exactly what I thought would be the case before succumbing to pressure. So I wasn't entirely wrong at all.

In my prediction, i said if jones doesn't take any rounds off he wins. Just so happends, he took 9 rounds off.

Explain to me how I'm being a fan boy in anyway, please? Everyone on this board has the biggest hard on for Joe Calzaghe for reasons unknown. and when someone states somethign blatantly obvious that just so happends to be "against" your beloved Joe Calzaghe, you guys get offended.

Pull Joes dick out of your mouth and see the facts, please. The facts are EVERY fighter is guilty of doing what it takes to win even if that means stretching the truth. A victory is a victory. Joe should have kept his hands up then hopkins would have never been able to stretch any truths, because there would be nothing to stretch.

and YES it IS that simple. Hopkins throws a bit more and wins. Please, name me one fight where Joe Calzaghe actually fought differently than his usual. He's the same fighter every night. He has a Plan A, and plan A seems to ALWAYS work. Because his Plan A is so good, he never needs a Plan B or C. This is me admitting Joe Calzaghe's greatness.. so explain to me how I'm a fan boy?

But at the same time, without ever needing a Plan B or C, we don't know if he needs one now. If it aint broke, dont fix it. That was bhops mentality for a very long time and obviously he saw that it was broken against Calzaghe, he'd fix it in a rematch.

Calzaghe fought bhop the same way he's fought everyone. He'll most likely come out and implement the same plan the next time because 1. It's the only plan he has. and 2. It worked the first time.. why switch it? This isn't rocket science.

Bhop works a little more, and wins. It's that simple. His defense isn't going to change any. Calzaghe won't do anything different to hit Bernard More. So it really comes down to wether bhop wants to engage a bit more or not.

In another thread you clearly stated that you saw no way Jones Jr. could lose this. By saying that you immediately discredit Calzaghe, and shows you have expectations of Jones Jr that are somewhat disconnected from reality.

Ah, but Jones Jr did manage to take the first round! So even that is a means of you trying to say that you were partly right. Forget the fact that it was whitewash thereafter and Calzaghe won every round. Calzaghe even seemed to let up on Jones in the final 2 rounds. Perhaps showing the respect he and Jones obviously have for one another.

A fan boy is someone who is not able to look at things objectively but will follow a fighter no matter what the facts are. You failed to appreciate Jones Jr's slide. You are a hater of Calzaghe because you failed to see any way Jones could lose to him. I could just call you naive, but I like the term hater more. Much better for bandying around internet forums with machismo aplomb.

Maybe you could pull Hopkins dick out of your mouth yourself. If you cannot appreciate the subtlety in Calzaghes game then you are blind. Watch a few Calzaghe fights and you will see for yourself the different nuances in his style, and the way he adapts to whatever is in front of him. Wasn't pretty but he still went overseas and outworked and outlanded the racist prick who has a dick firmly wedged down your throat.

Hopkins is one of the dirtiest and most exhausting boxers to watch. His plan A is to circle. His plan B is to hold. His plan C is to counter and his plan D is to fall on the ground whimpering like a little baby. I am in awe of the legend that is BHop. I am in thrall to the way he can mix up his four extremely varied and intricate plans. And would happily pay 50 dollars to watch him every time.

The only time Hopkins changed a little was because of Pavlik. Pavliks style that night allowed him to. Hopkins CANNOT fight like that against Calzaghe because if you bring it to Joe, you are going to exhaust yourself and be in for an even longer night. Hopkins best strategy is to alternate plans A to D. At least then he keeps it ugly and doesnt embarrass himself in any way.

[Memphis]

Thought Joe just sneaked it on the night. On reflection I think he won more comfortably than that. Close fight, but Calzaghe a clear winner for me.

[SaltyBacon]

hopkins won the fight cause of the knockdown if he didin't calzaghe would of won