OK just watched the fight

[ICB]

I have a hard job trying to see how Hopkins could have won.

For what it's worth here are the punch stats

CompuBox Final Stats: Bernard Hopkins vs. Joe Calzaghe

It was a close fight though and I can't disagree with those who say that Joe didn't wrest the title away from Hopkins as he was the only fighter who was hurt in the fight.

I've certainly seen worse decisions in boxing than it would have been to award Hopkins the win, but for me he won the fight.

I saw it as about as close as Mayweather Oscar with an additional point to Oscar for a knockdown. That would certainly leave it pretty close, 115/113 or something and if it would have gone to Hopkins Calzaghe would have been stretching it to say he was robbed blind.

At the end of the day though I truly think the right man won the fight.

I mean regardless of whether people preferred the more accurate shots of Hopkins the punchstats are clear that Calzaghe massively outlanded him and out worked him. He also controlled the whole fight, coming forward the whole time trying to make things happen.

Hopkins was awkward especially early but by the late rounds he was just holding and looking to spoil. I think it was the 10th when he claimed a dubious low blow and took the full 5 minutes to recover, then he tried again in the 11th but the ref was wise to it that time.

From about the 8th or 9th round he didn't try and win the fight, he just tried to spoil and prevent Joe from doing anything.

I personally think those kind of boxers deserve to lose close fights because they have a negative attitude but then I guess that's just me.

Look at Ishe Smith against Powell and Julio. Both fights he has a case for maybe doing enough, but he won't let his hands go and is so risk aversive that he gets outworked. Sure he does better work, but he does far less than the other guy overall.

That has been Hopkins problem in all 3 of his defeats in recent years.

Well you've sold me,
What you say and the stats seem to point out that Joe did twice the work even if the shots wern't as telling as Bernards.

Well according to the punchstats regarding James Toney vs Samuel Peter 1, Samuel Peter landed 100 more punches and threw 100 more punches than James Toney. Yet everyone consider's that a robbery, so i guess the punchstats tell the whole story regarding that fight ?

No they don't and they don't tell the how whole story regarding, Joe Calzaghe vs Bernard Hopkins either. If anyone actually believes Joe Calzaghe landed 187 punches they've got to be having a laugh. Punchstats are misleading and inaccurate, and Joe Calzaghe didn't land as many punches as he was credited with.

[CFH]

I have a hard job trying to see how Hopkins could have won.

For what it's worth here are the punch stats

CompuBox Final Stats: Bernard Hopkins vs. Joe Calzaghe

It was a close fight though and I can't disagree with those who say that Joe didn't wrest the title away from Hopkins as he was the only fighter who was hurt in the fight.

I've certainly seen worse decisions in boxing than it would have been to award Hopkins the win, but for me he won the fight.

I saw it as about as close as Mayweather Oscar with an additional point to Oscar for a knockdown. That would certainly leave it pretty close, 115/113 or something and if it would have gone to Hopkins Calzaghe would have been stretching it to say he was robbed blind.

At the end of the day though I truly think the right man won the fight.

I mean regardless of whether people preferred the more accurate shots of Hopkins the punchstats are clear that Calzaghe massively outlanded him and out worked him. He also controlled the whole fight, coming forward the whole time trying to make things happen.

Hopkins was awkward especially early but by the late rounds he was just holding and looking to spoil. I think it was the 10th when he claimed a dubious low blow and took the full 5 minutes to recover, then he tried again in the 11th but the ref was wise to it that time.

From about the 8th or 9th round he didn't try and win the fight, he just tried to spoil and prevent Joe from doing anything.

I personally think those kind of boxers deserve to lose close fights because they have a negative attitude but then I guess that's just me.

Look at Ishe Smith against Powell and Julio. Both fights he has a case for maybe doing enough, but he won't let his hands go and is so risk aversive that he gets outworked. Sure he does better work, but he does far less than the other guy overall.

That has been Hopkins problem in all 3 of his defeats in recent years.

Well you've sold me,
What you say and the stats seem to point out that Joe did twice the work even if the shots wern't as telling as Bernards.

Well according to the punchstats regarding James Toney vs Samuel Peter 1, Samuel Peter landed 100 more punches and threw 100 more punches than James Toney. Yet everyone consider's that a robbery, so i guess the punchstats tell the whole story regarding that fight ?

No they don't and they don't tell the how whole story regarding, Joe Calzaghe vs Bernard Hopkins either. If anyone actually believes Joe Calzaghe landed 187 punches they've got to be having a laugh. Punchstats are misleading and inaccurate, and Joe Calzaghe didn't land as many punches as he was credited with.

I'd honestly be surprised if Calzaghe landed 100 punches.

[ICB]

Well you've sold me,
What you say and the stats seem to point out that Joe did twice the work even if the shots wern't as telling as Bernards.

Well according to the punchstats regarding James Toney vs Samuel Peter 1, Samuel Peter landed 100 more punches and threw 100 more punches than James Toney. Yet everyone consider's that a robbery, so i guess the punchstats tell the whole story regarding that fight ?

No they don't and they don't tell the how whole story regarding, Joe Calzaghe vs Bernard Hopkins either. If anyone actually believes Joe Calzaghe landed 187 punches they've got to be having a laugh. Punchstats are misleading and inaccurate, and Joe Calzaghe didn't land as many punches as he was credited with.

I'd honestly be surprised if Calzaghe landed 100 punches.

I meant to say 187 power punches there made a typo.

[Memphis]

I thought the fight for a while was a real spectical. Round three I think where they both finished hands down swinging and slipping, magic.

Jones was unlucking in the respect that Calzaghe gets ten seconds to recover from a knockdown, he needs a fraction of that time. Against others Jones might have been on the verge of something spectacular.

Jones was also fortunate that Calzaghe cant clump anymore, if he could it would have been another bad KO loss for Jones.

I started to feel sad watching it towards the end, Jones was getting hit at will, badly cut (what the fuck were they doing) and I wanted it stopped. Thankfully I think Joe also decided at about the same time as Jones did that it was going the distance. Jones just wanted to finish the fight and Joe I think was happy to oblige.

Great night, great event, great fighters.

[Bomp]

I thought the fight for a while was a real spectical. Round three I think where they both finished hands down swinging and slipping, magic.

Jones was unlucking in the respect that Calzaghe gets ten seconds to recover from a knockdown, he needs a fraction of that time. Against others Jones might have been on the verge of something spectacular.

Jones was also fortunate that Calzaghe cant clump anymore, if he could it would have been another bad KO loss for Jones.

I started to feel sad watching it towards the end, Jones was getting hit at will, badly cut (what the fuck were they doing) and I wanted it stopped. Thankfully I think Joe also decided at about the same time as Jones did that it was going the distance. Jones just wanted to finish the fight and Joe I think was happy to oblige.

Great night, great event, great fighters.

It did seem a good spectacle for 5 rounds, everyone at the pub was excited and it seemed to go in the way of a classic fight. We thought Joe was showboating early to kind of show the judges that he was comfortable in there, worried that Jones might be stealing the rounds with his showboating. But it became apparent by the 6th that he was actually almost in contempt, and looked a bit daft doing it.

[yvonne]

Did anyone notice the extra 10-15 seconds during the fight??I think it was round 8.I seen the clock in the background outside the ring count down to zero and their were still fighting for a extra 10-15!!Did anyone notice it?

[Fenster]

I don't think Calzaghe's showboating was excessive at all. Some of it came after he was caught with a solid shot, he was basically showing "you can't hurt me" after the first round blip.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Anyone complaining about Joe's showboating but thinks nothing of Roy spending an entire career doing it is a hypocrite.

Having said that - i felt sad for Roy too. Maybe in a funny way the cut SAVED him from getting stopped. I'm glad he finished the fight in the end.