Will Cotto Be The Same

[JT Rock]

Plenty of boxers have taken knees without quitting though. I don't think anything will change my mind on this, I do not believe he quit. He lost, he was beaten, but he never quit. It's clear to me he was up and ready to get stopped, but his corner entered the ring and stopped it. Rightly so.

I would agree with you on the 1st KD and if that was the end than you make all the sense in the world, but the fact that he went from corner to corner without attempting a punch for 20sec and dropped himself in the corner told me he didnt want anymore.

We will have to agree to disagree on this one

I agree he didn't want anymore, however after the 2nd KD he got to his feet ready to fight on with what little he had left.

I don't think he was able to throw a punch after the 1st KD, but he still didn't quit. He retreated across the ring and only took another knee when he ran out of room to run. Yet he still rose to his feet after the count was begun, thereby he did not quit. If he quit, why didn't he stay down or at least indicate to the ref that he wanted no more? He had no idea when he rose to his feet that his corner was going to stop it.

His corner did the right thing by waving the towel and stepping into the ring, and Cotto didn't seem to mind that it was stopped. Maybe to you this argument seems like splitting hairs, but, to me, what happened was a lot different than him quitting.

You're right though, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Cool with me man, again which brings me to my original point, does all that prove to be fracturing moving forward for Miguel Cotto?

[CFH]

I would agree with you on the 1st KD and if that was the end than you make all the sense in the world, but the fact that he went from corner to corner without attempting a punch for 20sec and dropped himself in the corner told me he didnt want anymore.

We will have to agree to disagree on this one

I agree he didn't want anymore, however after the 2nd KD he got to his feet ready to fight on with what little he had left.

I don't think he was able to throw a punch after the 1st KD, but he still didn't quit. He retreated across the ring and only took another knee when he ran out of room to run. Yet he still rose to his feet after the count was begun, thereby he did not quit. If he quit, why didn't he stay down or at least indicate to the ref that he wanted no more? He had no idea when he rose to his feet that his corner was going to stop it.

His corner did the right thing by waving the towel and stepping into the ring, and Cotto didn't seem to mind that it was stopped. Maybe to you this argument seems like splitting hairs, but, to me, what happened was a lot different than him quitting.

You're right though, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Cool with me man, again which brings me to my original point, does all that prove to be fracturing moving forward for Miguel Cotto?

Maybe. Like I said before, I think his determination to fight Margarito again appears to show that he has not been damaged mentally, but if there are any scars, they'll show themselves during the fight when Margarito does exactly what he did last time. I guess my answer is we won't know until the fight.

[ICB]

Sorry CFH but i have to agree with JT here, i've seen Amateur fights live where i've seen a few boxers go to a knee up close. And its for certain a sign of quitting, now im not calling Miguel Cotto a quitter here.

But when you go down on one knee your trying to look for an easy way out, from the punishment. Which is obviously a natural human survival instinct, but its still a sign of quitting.

When Miguel Cotto got up from the 2nd knockdown he was looking at his corner, obviously hinting that he has had enough.

[leftylee]

Sorry CFH but i have to agree with JT here, i've seen Amateur fights live and i've seen a few boxers go to a knee up close. And its for certain a sign of quitting, now im not calling Miguel Cotto a quitter here.

But when you go down on one knee your trying to look for an easy way out, from the punishment. Which is obviously a natural human survival instinct, but its still a sign of quitting.

Kind of like what Gary Lockett done then ?

[CFH]

Sorry CFH but i have to agree with JT here, i've seen Amateur fights live where i've seen a few boxers go to a knee up close. And its for certain a sign of quitting, now im not calling Miguel Cotto a quitter here.

But when you go down on one knee your trying to look for an easy way out, from the punishment. Which is obviously a natural human survival instinct, but its still a sign of quitting.

When Miguel Cotto got up from the 2nd knockdown he was looking at his corner, obviously hinting that he has had enough.

Well, I disagree, but we already knew that.

I don't think taking a knee when you know you're about to be KO'd is a sign off quitting or looking for an easy way out. It's often a sign of good ring intelligence, you save yourself from getting KO'd and give yourself a chance to recover/come back. I've seen fighters take knees and then come back to win fights, so I have to disagree there as well.

[ICB]

Sorry CFH but i have to agree with JT here, i've seen Amateur fights live where i've seen a few boxers go to a knee up close. And its for certain a sign of quitting, now im not calling Miguel Cotto a quitter here.

But when you go down on one knee your trying to look for an easy way out, from the punishment. Which is obviously a natural human survival instinct, but its still a sign of quitting.

When Miguel Cotto got up from the 2nd knockdown he was looking at his corner, obviously hinting that he has had enough.

Well, I disagree, but we already knew that.

I don't think taking a knee when you know you're about to be KO'd is a sign off quitting or looking for an easy way out. It's often a sign of good ring intelligence, you save yourself from getting KO'd and give yourself a chance to recover/come back. I've seen fighters take knees and then come back to win fights, so I have to disagree there as well.

Oh i agree with you there CFH not in all cases is it a sign of quitting, but in this case it was IMO. Especially the way Miguel Cotto went down the 2nd time without even being hit, then looking at his corner which is basically signalling to stop the fight.

[Spicoli]

I think Cotto has the improved boxing smarts and mind set to bounce back well.Something tells me that he is burning to get at Tony again,strikes me as very proud.Do not think he should rush back to a rematch without first regrouping properly.That was not a first loss via a quick KO,it was sustained accumulative damage throughout......I disagree with the "Two different fights in one" thinking.Cotto boxed very well but Tony was wrecking that body very early.And I do not like to through the "He quit card" around with many fighters.One does not Choose to loose on the own volition with out firstly being put into that mode,mentally & physically...cause /effect by their opposition.It almost dicredits the Victor.

[JT Rock]

I think Cotto has the improved boxing smarts and mind set to bounce back well.Something tells me that he is burning to get at Tony again,strikes me as very proud.Do not think he should rush back to a rematch without first regrouping properly.That was not a first loss via a quick KO,it was sustained accumulative damage throughout......I disagree with the "Two different fights in one" thinking.Cotto boxed very well but Tony was wrecking that body very early.And I do not like to through the "He quit card" around with many fighters.One does not Choose to loose on the own volition with out firstly being put into that mode,mentally & physically...cause /effect by their opposition.It almost dicredits the Victor.

You lost me brutha, you were trying to be eloquent but I think the bottom line is Tony stole Miguel's heart by beating him into submission... I think that satisfies both sides of the argument

[Chino]

I don't think taking a knee when you know you're about to be KO'd is a sign off quitting or looking for an easy way out

But shaking your head as you look at your corner is . Look at the second KO when the camera zooms to his face and se how he looks at his corner and shakes his head "No mas" (no more). Unless he was shaking his head telling his coner "Don't stop the fight" . I recently noticed this and had to keep rewinding that part.

[CutMeMick]

I sure hope so...

As I've stated he had one of the busiest schedules for a top caliber champ. Fighting 3 or 4 fights a year for about 4 yrs. is a lot of work and your body will def. feel that...

I think the break is long overdue for him and spending time with his family is always a plus. Spend the holidays with them and receive the new year with the family then resume training in late Jan. would be perfect.

Set up a comeback fight in his hometown of Puerto Rico vs. Soto-Karass to get him back in the groove and then set up the big fight.

[mike_tha_man]

I think Cotto will be back the same if not better than befor. He obviously looked a class higher than Margo the first half of the fight while he was out-boxing the tornado. the diference will be this. Margo has one way of fighting, coming foward and beating the ever living crap out of you. as we all have seen from Cotto, he can hunt you down, brawl and/or box. he will use this against Margo this time around. he now knows that he cant stand and trade with Margo like he did in the middle rounds which ultimatley ended in him taking too much punishment. he will box the whole fight and stay away from the ropes. im predicting that he will make this fight alot less action packed and "run" alot more but will win in a points victory. alot of people are going to be upset that Cotto chose not to stand and trade but he will win the rematch and after the way the first fight ended, how can u blame him. thats my 2 cents