Thought Joe just sneaked it on the night. On reflection I think he won more comfortably than that. Close fight, but Calzaghe a clear winner for me.
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Thought Joe just sneaked it on the night. On reflection I think he won more comfortably than that. Close fight, but Calzaghe a clear winner for me.
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hopkins won the fight cause of the knockdown if he didin't calzaghe would of won
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Calzaghe won by a mile , Hopkins was trying to slow fight down and be dirty but calzaghe kept the pressure on him well. I love it when disrespectful fighters like Hopkins lose. Same goes to bellew the on sat night when losing to cleverly but FairPlay to bellew he was gracious in defeat unlike Hopkins .
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naa it was never a win by a mile. It was close, but I wouldnt sat it was a SD. It was a 60:40 UD, if oyu get my meaning.
It was close enough that had Bhop not been unable to match a younger mans pace, he would have won UD.
Its important to realise Bhops limitations, but same time you've got to admit to the rounds JC was getting outclassed as a boxer. Bhop def has more skill, he really showed up Joes limits early on, and its a good thing he retired, he wouldnt have been able to continue a reign when his assets (speed, fitness) were youthful attributes that would be gone in a year or two and his limted skills simply wouldnt be enough. Why doesnt Bernard take a leaf from Joe's page and retire soone or fighting some easy bums, he is going to ruin his body if he keeps pluggin away at the top fighters like this.
pity Bernard had to play such a negative race card, he ruined what he accomplished in that almost Rocky VI style endnig.
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Calzaghe made em look stupid and clearly won.. This should be unanimous. I dont know why anybody would even question this victory in the first place.
This fight really made me respect Cal's mental toughness. Leading up to the bout, Hops was pulling his usual intimidation tactics but it didnt work cuz calzaghe wasn't having none of that shit. He wasn't gonna let this ghetto fabulous get inside his head and good for him..
I love calzaghe for owning this ghetto ignorant man. He just laughed at Hop's foolish comments as any superior man would do. He stood up to the bully and humiliated him ...
What a great fighter Calzaghe was..
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Phillips, speed is never a skill, its an attribute, it can only be increased incrementely, wheras you can learn a hundred new boxing moves that count towards more skills.
good speed with good skill is better than each one alone, thats the best. And if you got bombs too, then your name must be Joe Louis.
but full credit to Joe for outpacing the old man and for not getting intimidated when he was clearly losing the fight to him for five rounds. I'd get well depressed if a grandad was dropping me, so he did well to ignore the shame and shock of being outboxed and stick to the plan.
But why is this poll closed? I wanted to vote my fellow Brit.
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Hopkins just didn't do enough to win, he was cruising along at the same work rate throughout and was lucky it was a split decision. The margin could've been wider!
Calzaghe worked harder and the knockdown actually made Calzaghe more focused and he threw more punches and landed more punches. I remember thinking that Hopkins definitely let Calzaghe off the hook after the first round knockdown.
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Calzaghe was an exceptional fighter, he would have beaten Hopkins from any stage in Hopkins career. Calzaghe got it wrong in the early rounds, but once he figured the old fool out it was a case of coasting it with a little rough and tumble in the second half.Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Clear and convincing Calzaghe win.
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Joe all the WAY old man Hopkins got hit in the ball's? some hitrolling around on the floor in pain?bit like the Dawson fight a great fighter my
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Calzaghe was an exceptional fighter but it was clear that the only reason Hopkins lost to Joe was because of his stamina at 43 years old.Calzaghe was an exceptional fighter, he would have beaten Hopkins from any stage in Hopkins career. Calzaghe got it wrong in the early rounds, but once he figured the old fool out it was a case of coasting it with a little rough and tumble in the second half.
Clear and convincing Calzaghe win.
A younger Hopkins like the one that fought Trinidad would have more than enough stamina to consistently tag Calzaghe when he came in. He wouldn't just box from the outside either. He would get inside on Joe and do even more damage.
I'm not saying Joe wouldn't have his moments, i just think a younger Hopkins is too well rounded for Calzaghe.
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Dude, the only reason anyone lost to Joe was stamina and handspeedCalzaghe was an exceptional fighter but it was clear that the only reason Hopkins lost to Joe was because of his stamina at 43 years old.Calzaghe was an exceptional fighter, he would have beaten Hopkins from any stage in Hopkins career. Calzaghe got it wrong in the early rounds, but once he figured the old fool out it was a case of coasting it with a little rough and tumble in the second half.
Clear and convincing Calzaghe win.
A younger Hopkins like the one that fought Trinidad would have more than enough stamina to consistently tag Calzaghe when he came in. He wouldn't just box from the outside either. He would get inside on Joe and do even more damage.
I'm not saying Joe wouldn't have his moments, i just think a younger Hopkins is too well rounded for Calzaghe.
just like the only reason anyone lost to mike tyson was power
Its easy to say hopkins would have beaten Joe earlier in his carear, the fact is Joe won the fight against a very good hopkins, also it was his first big fight in america and hopkins had had experience coming out of his ears
if they had fough earlier in their carears and in britain joe might not have had such a bad start and could have won all 12 rounds
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I agree, 100..
Calzaghe was an exceptional fighter, he would have beaten Hopkins from any stage in Hopkins career. Calzaghe got it wrong in the early rounds, but once he figured the old fool out it was a case of coasting it with a little rough and tumble in the second half.
Clear and convincing Calzaghe win.
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I actually completely agree. I really don't see how it was very close. Let's say you think Calzaghe shouldn't get points for his slapping-punching style. Fine. He still outjabbed Hopkins something like 45 to 11. Hopkins only landed 11 jabs the whole fight!
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Hopkins has never really been a jabber.I actually completely agree. I really don't see how it was very close. Let's say you think Calzaghe shouldn't get points for his slapping-punching style. Fine. He still outjabbed Hopkins something like 45 to 11. Hopkins only landed 11 jabs the whole fight!
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He hasn't been, and you may be right, but consider that he landed almost three times as many jabs against Roy Jones and threw two times the amount as he did against Calzaghe. Against, Pavlik he landed twice as many jabs and threw more than two and half times the amount as he did against Calzaghe. Against Jean Pascal, he landed two times the amount and threw almost twice the amount as he did against Pascal. His accuracy (punches landed versus thrown) was also the worst against Calzaghe of all the above opponents.Hopkins has never really been a jabber.I actually completely agree. I really don't see how it was very close. Let's say you think Calzaghe shouldn't get points for his slapping-punching style. Fine. He still outjabbed Hopkins something like 45 to 11. Hopkins only landed 11 jabs the whole fight!
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