Zen Master Pacfan and Taoist Andre.

[pacfan]

Thanks for the reply.. Yeah maybe I should do a name change one day.. I am very attached with it though.. (I get the irony of that also considering i'm studying ego)


What I wanted to do is post 2 sayings that I came up with myself.. It is closely entwined with what i'm reading in Eckhart Tolle's book. But I occassionaly like to reword things and lessons so they resonate better with me, and so whenever I read it, it can point me to that place/feeling whenver I wish..

This is probably going to sound pretty damn airy fairy so bare with me, but it is a really profound thing to me to have this realization/feeling, and if even one person shares that I would be happy.

" The stillness and unfathomable depth of space as you gaze up to it, is an exact mirror of the stillness, and unfathomable depth that is within you. Is you. And so you feel a recognition and affinity with it, where the connection is seamless and boundryless between your inner depth, and the depth of outer space. For that moment, you are one with space and everything. And you can feel it as real as happiness or sadness "

I have a second one too which is more of an observation I have just made now of where i'm at in this type of education/development.

" I am getting to a point where "space" and "stillness" are as tangible to me as a door or a wall. Where as before I did not perceive either, or spare any time or thought for them.... And it seems the more tangible space and stillness become to me, the more peace I feel, and the more I feel i'm touching who I really am and getting to know who I am.. The more I can "see" space and perceive it on the outside, the more I can feel and percieve it on the inside.. The more it continues to open up in me.. Where as before, and only on occassions, it may have only been the size of a pea inside me.. That inner stillness and space and depth now feels as though it is reaching my skin and almost fully filling my physical form... I guess the next step is to perceive "my" depth, stillness and space as going beyond my physical bounds. And eventually having no boundry, and feeling that "my" space is "at one" and connected seamlessly with everything else, and they are not seperate... "

I cannot remember, but it was either you or Andre who were writing out your favourite Zen quotes in another thread, and it was reading one of those that gave me my first glimpse of this.
It went something like :

" Give someone an empty bowl or doorway, and it is not the bowl or doorway that is of use, but the empty space inside them "

This was the first time i'd ever conciously felt space or stillness as a tangible thing that "exists". HUGE awakening for me..

Now that is a serious one. Not yet for the novice, but still good to ponder upon. The state of consciousness quoted in two paragraphs above is the state I get in during my meditation. But it took me years and years to reach that state. There is a higher state than that, though. They say that at the ultimate stage, you will be one with the world and, this is kinda scary, there will be no more distinction between yourself and the world. Zen is definitely a very worthwile endeavor to pursue. But don't keep your expectations to high. From experience, I can say that at first, there will be a feeling of euphoria, which later starts to wane and sometimes you get sort of dissillusioned. But if you keep at it, you will ride through a road of bumps, sometimes high and sometimes low. It's that highs that gets you going.

[Spicoli]

Their is no yin with out the yang.Some days I can be standing in a boisterous stressed area and be the calmest person in the room....other days its me that is the actual stress within that room,entirely

[brucelee]

Their is no yin with out the yang.Some days I can be standing in a boisterous stressed area and be the calmest person in the room....other days its me that is the actual stress within that room,entirely

Currently, what I do to get rid of all the negatives is to concentrate on my online computer game. Winning over my online enemies keeps me in a high state.

As a practical application, when I am around my computer, I forget all my problems.So I play until early morning, I go to bed really sleepy and I rarely think of my problems. This makes me happy all day.

[Bookkeeper]

Pacfan and Andre are some great posters, two of my favorites who go out of their way to get along with others. BTW what the FFFFF is a Zen

[Andre]

Pacfan and Andre are some great posters, two of my favorites who go out of their way to get along with others. BTW what the FFFFF is a Zen

Thanks mate nice of you to say so;
Zen is a type of Budisum I think ,like A Zen Buddist.

Im more into Taoism myself the quiet natural wisdom of the Chinese monk Lao Tszu. That is where the same wise expressions that those monks used to say to Grasshopper in the Kung Fu series all came from ,if you remember that show.

Toaism is being at peace with the way.
Tao means WAY. Toa te Ching =way of life ,way of universal being ,
Natures way etc.

I think Zen and Taoism have allot in common.

I also love sacred geometry and its keys and links back into to the universal plan of life,The mathmatics of dualism compared to that of the One. Love. This is the thing that glues together all ancient and esoteric wisdom including what the old astrologers from within the Egyptains ,Mayans,Tibetian Monks and the Jewish Kabbalistic priests of Ancient Lemura and Isreal all knew. It is what men like Vitruvius, Pythagoras,Leonardo Da vinci,to name but three of the best all came to realize ,that the flower of life holds all the keys to everything;which has all lead me from secretly hating God, into loving God instead of fearing one.
Which is where we all will find ourselves. Once we find the space and peace to move complete and freely as we were always supposed to always live then you can hear and see things in a new light.

Go Diz . He's on a path!

And a proven one too,Echart is .

Diz once you get it ,things will arise and take you right back to your old ways of anger. But just watch them and remain as seperate as you can by being the observer as soon as you can.Its not a failure to spit the dummy occasionally.We have that right to blow off steam.
This is just part of it. These tests will allow you realise that anger or hatred poured outwards onto others is more self destroying than the damage you think you're aiming at them.

It is habitual as well and your ego is the one that makes it so ,so that it can steal your time down here away from the real you.

Once you have the freedom of that space that you are feeling at the moment,continually; You will be like that empty cup you will be the doorway.

You will be filled with what is out there naturally and it will come, faster if you give thanks between you and it or if you ask for the next step to occur some thing will fall in lap as proof.

The ending of that expression you were talking about goes..

shape a vessel out of clay or cut windows or doors out of a wall ,it is the space within that makes them of use.
Therefore profit comes from what is there.
Usefulness comes from what is not there.

Same goes for life,business, boxing and now you.