Randy vs Brock

[kingfrnk]

good fight by lesnar.

[Munkymagic]

Gutted but Couture couldn't keep going forever Thought he was handling Brock very well until the 2nd round and Lesnar just landed a huge punch to the temple, and at 40 fucking 5 the guy is a hero.

Enter Nog. Brock didn't look ALL that and i think Nog will finish him.

[Majesty]

It looked like Randy's knee went out in the second round when he went down. Good performance by Brock but im worried about Randy's knee right now. Didn't look like it was being whoosy from being ko'd or something when he tried to get up it looked like he couldnt put weight on the knee. I'll have to watch it again

[GAME]

Fair play to Brock . He didnt rush out all guns blazing . He took his time , he was methodical . He negated Randys work then took him out. Even though he was cut he kept his cool and found the punches

Brock has arrived!

[mnmc10]

brock learns fast! he was calm and was not bothered by the cut.

my idol couture was handling things well until he got hit on the temple.

i think couture felt that he cannot man handle brock thats why he chose to trade punches a little even if he knows that he can/will get caught.

brock's chin is still untested, he showed some stamina and lasted 3 full rounds with heath. he still needs to train to avoid submissions, and learn some submission moves too.

if couture gets a rematch im sure he will win!

[the_PRODIGY]

Gutted but Couture couldn't keep going forever Thought he was handling Brock very well until the 2nd round and Lesnar just landed a huge punch to the temple, and at 40 fucking 5 the guy is a hero.

Enter Nog. Brock didn't look ALL that and i think Nog will finish him.

Minotauro?I don't think so.He's got some mad bjj but I don't think he can submitt brock.look at his neck.his arm.too huge for a choke or an armbar.only chance is to catch his ankle like Mir did but I doubt if he's gonna make the same mistake again..Brock is just too big for everyone.i think the worst opponent for brock is someone who possess big power and great striking skills.maybe a lorenzo kane or a gabriel gonzaga.but still I'm not saying they will defeat lesnar.

[zhubin]

If Couture was a few years younger...he would have won that fight. You can see the clear difference in age...but you can also see that Randy has the smarts. More than anything...this shows me that Fedor is still clearly the best heavyweight. Dana White is going to try and build Lesnar into a superstar...but he knows...that until ANY of his fighters take on and beat Fedor...Fedor will remain king.

[DC Amateur Boxing]

If Couture was a few years younger...he would have won that fight. You can see the clear difference in age...but you can also see that Randy has the smarts. More than anything...this shows me that Fedor is still clearly the best heavyweight. Dana White is going to try and build Lesnar into a superstar...but he knows...that until ANY of his fighters take on and beat Fedor...Fedor will remain king.

Ok, but you do realize that we are talking about a guy who was in his 4th MMA fight EVER and beat a fighter that is a Hall of Fame fighter and is NOT anywhere near being washed up? Not to mention if Brock calmed down a little when he dropped Mir, he would be undefeated and have beaten two of the sport's best - EVER.

He's not even closed to being a polished fighter and look what he's accomplished. From what I hear, this isn't Dana's doing but Lesnar's. White said that he basically laughed when he asked for Mir. He would rather slow Lesnar down a little bit, but neither White or Lesnar can't go slow down now. Brock said that he only wants the best, so, if he beats Mir (assuming Mir wins his next fight against Nogeira) - we'll see what shakes out.

I also don't agree with Randy's age either. He'll have a few more fights and he'll probably win. I've doubted Couture in the past against younger talent and he shut me up plenty of times. If you noticed, age didn't even come up. He's proven that isn't an issue with him, but they did ask about ring rust. He said there wasn't any, Brock was just a "big sumbitch" throwin "big hamhocks" that "it was hard to get out of the way [of]"

[halfdriven]

Sad to hear Randy lost to an undeserving opponent, that’s why I would not watch it. Dana is turning the UFC in WWF, taking the true sport out of the picture for $ purposes, lame in my book. If Brock fought his way up the ranks I could respect him more.

[zhubin]

If Couture was a few years younger...he would have won that fight. You can see the clear difference in age...but you can also see that Randy has the smarts. More than anything...this shows me that Fedor is still clearly the best heavyweight. Dana White is going to try and build Lesnar into a superstar...but he knows...that until ANY of his fighters take on and beat Fedor...Fedor will remain king.

Ok, but you do realize that we are talking about a guy who was in his 4th MMA fight EVER and beat a fighter that is a Hall of Fame fighter and is NOT anywhere near being washed up? Not to mention if Brock calmed down a little when he dropped Mir, he would be undefeated and have beaten two of the sport's best - EVER.

He's not even closed to being a polished fighter and look what he's accomplished. From what I hear, this isn't Dana's doing but Lesnar's. White said that he basically laughed when he asked for Mir. He would rather slow Lesnar down a little bit, but neither White or Lesnar can't go slow down now. Brock said that he only wants the best, so, if he beats Mir (assuming Mir wins his next fight against Nogeira) - we'll see what shakes out.

I also don't agree with Randy's age either. He'll have a few more fights and he'll probably win. I've doubted Couture in the past against younger talent and he shut me up plenty of times. If you noticed, age didn't even come up. He's proven that isn't an issue with him, but they did ask about ring rust. He said there wasn't any, Brock was just a "big sumbitch" throwin "big hamhocks" that "it was hard to get out of the way [of]"

With all due respect to Randy, a fighter i have tremendous respect for, but age is a factor. He is 45 years old and has seen plenty of battles. Can he still beat a lot of fighters out there...probably. But all he is doing is risking serious damage...you just don't want to be closing on 50 years old and getting your head bashed in. As for Lesnar, no question he is a formidable athlete and has improved...but he will now be pushed (whether on his own accord or to White's) as the superstar of the UFC. For all of his athleticism...i just don't see him having the mental game or the solid foundation of years of all around MMA skills to become a truly great fighter. Bottom line for me....the best fighter in the world remains Fedor...so until someone beats him from the UFC...Dana and Lesnar can talk all they want.

[JT Rock]

If Couture was a few years younger...he would have won that fight. You can see the clear difference in age...but you can also see that Randy has the smarts. More than anything...this shows me that Fedor is still clearly the best heavyweight. Dana White is going to try and build Lesnar into a superstar...but he knows...that until ANY of his fighters take on and beat Fedor...Fedor will remain king.

Ok, but you do realize that we are talking about a guy who was in his 4th MMA fight EVER and beat a fighter that is a Hall of Fame fighter and is NOT anywhere near being washed up? Not to mention if Brock calmed down a little when he dropped Mir, he would be undefeated and have beaten two of the sport's best - EVER.

He's not even closed to being a polished fighter and look what he's accomplished. From what I hear, this isn't Dana's doing but Lesnar's. White said that he basically laughed when he asked for Mir. He would rather slow Lesnar down a little bit, but neither White or Lesnar can't go slow down now. Brock said that he only wants the best, so, if he beats Mir (assuming Mir wins his next fight against Nogeira) - we'll see what shakes out.

I also don't agree with Randy's age either. He'll have a few more fights and he'll probably win. I've doubted Couture in the past against younger talent and he shut me up plenty of times. If you noticed, age didn't even come up. He's proven that isn't an issue with him, but they did ask about ring rust. He said there wasn't any, Brock was just a "big sumbitch" throwin "big hamhocks" that "it was hard to get out of the way [of]"

With all due respect to Randy, a fighter i have tremendous respect for, but age is a factor. He is 45 years old and has seen plenty of battles. Can he still beat a lot of fighters out there...probably. But all he is doing is risking serious damage...you just don't want to be closing on 50 years old and getting your head bashed in. As for Lesnar, no question he is a formidable athlete and has improved...but he will now be pushed (whether on his own accord or to White's) as the superstar of the UFC. For all of his athleticism...i just don't see him having the mental game or the solid foundation of years of all around MMA skills to become a truly great fighter. Bottom line for me....the best fighter in the world remains Fedor...so until someone beats him from the UFC...Dana and Lesnar can talk all they want.

How did you arrive at that conclusion? You really have nothing here but assumption.

Brock was an NCAA all american in wrestling and than he was a wrassler which is staged but the demand that goes with that is incredible, it takes an unbelievable beating on your body and regardless of injury (barring catastrophic) you have to perform night after night constant travel on he road for over 260 days a year, not to mention he was the face of the WWE for quite sometime.

After that he walked onto a Minnesota Vikings practice field and almost made the last cut as a defensive lineman..The best attribute that man has is his tenacity and mental toughness, he has competed in 3 serious mainstream careers and operated at the highest level of 2 of them.. Brock certainly has what it takes

[DC Amateur Boxing]

With all due respect to Randy, a fighter i have tremendous respect for, but age is a factor. He is 45 years old and has seen plenty of battles. Can he still beat a lot of fighters out there...probably. But all he is doing is risking serious damage...you just don't want to be closing on 50 years old and getting your head bashed in. As for Lesnar, no question he is a formidable athlete and has improved...but he will now be pushed (whether on his own accord or to White's) as the superstar of the UFC. For all of his athleticism...i just don't see him having the mental game or the solid foundation of years of all around MMA skills to become a truly great fighter. Bottom line for me....the best fighter in the world remains Fedor...so until someone beats him from the UFC...Dana and Lesnar can talk all they want.

Two questions for you:

1. What will you say when Brock beats Mir or Nogeira?
2. What will you say when Randy beasts one or two more younger (everyone will be younger) "established" fighters?

Let me answer for you . . .you will say Randy is for real and Brock is better than you thought . . .he's for real too.

[Munkymagic]

Gutted but Couture couldn't keep going forever Thought he was handling Brock very well until the 2nd round and Lesnar just landed a huge punch to the temple, and at 40 fucking 5 the guy is a hero.

Enter Nog. Brock didn't look ALL that and i think Nog will finish him.

Minotauro?I don't think so.He's got some mad bjj but I don't think he can submitt brock.look at his neck.his arm.too huge for a choke or an armbar.only chance is to catch his ankle like Mir did but I doubt if he's gonna make the same mistake again..Brock is just too big for everyone.i think the worst opponent for brock is someone who possess big power and great striking skills.maybe a lorenzo kane or a gabriel gonzaga.but still I'm not saying they will defeat lesnar.

Yes Minotauro. He got careless against Herring but the guy is a beast. lets not forget he's 6ft 3 and 240, as you say has some mad BJJ, is a good boxer and IS powerful.

I loved Randy and he was one of my favourite fighters but if randy would have gotten past Brock i feel he would have lost to Nog. There is no doubt about it Brock is a phenomenal athlete but regardless of Necks and arms they are still submittable. Add to that i think Nog beats him at stand up. His chin is fantastic, his recovery is great BUT he has been in some battles...that may come into play.

From what i read on here also people are talking about Brock fighting Mir should he get past Nog as if people are assuming Mir will beat Nog...please, lets get real. Mirs BJJ is not even on a level with Nogs, his wrestling is nothing to speak of and his standup is way below the par of Nogeuira's..Nog will win easily IMO.

So, it will be Nog-Brock and as much as i think Brock is a powerful, formiddable athlete i think Nog will have his number.

[the_PRODIGY]

Gutted but Couture couldn't keep going forever Thought he was handling Brock very well until the 2nd round and Lesnar just landed a huge punch to the temple, and at 40 fucking 5 the guy is a hero.

Enter Nog. Brock didn't look ALL that and i think Nog will finish him.

Minotauro?I don't think so.He's got some mad bjj but I don't think he can submitt brock.look at his neck.his arm.too huge for a choke or an armbar.only chance is to catch his ankle like Mir did but I doubt if he's gonna make the same mistake again..Brock is just too big for everyone.i think the worst opponent for brock is someone who possess big power and great striking skills.maybe a lorenzo kane or a gabriel gonzaga.but still I'm not saying they will defeat lesnar.

Yes Minotauro. He got careless against Herring but the guy is a beast. lets not forget he's 6ft 3 and 240, as you say has some mad BJJ, is a good boxer and IS powerful.

I loved Randy and he was one of my favourite fighters but if randy would have gotten past Brock i feel he would have lost to Nog. There is no doubt about it Brock is a phenomenal athlete but regardless of Necks and arms they are still submittable. Add to that i think Nog beats him at stand up. His chin is fantastic, his recovery is great BUT he has been in some battles...that may come into play.

From what i read on here also people are talking about Brock fighting Mir should he get past Nog as if people are assuming Mir will beat Nog...please, lets get real. Mirs BJJ is not even on a level with Nogs, his wrestling is nothing to speak of and his standup is way below the par of Nogeuira's..Nog will win easily IMO.

So, it will be Nog-Brock and as much as i think Brock is a powerful, formiddable athlete i think Nog will have his number.

I don't think Minotauro is that good as you said.I think in this sport most of the time its always a matter of imposing your gameplan and I think wrestling is the most effective discipline.Minoutauro..his wrestling is not even close to Brock's and yes he has the best BJJ in the division but boxing?POWERFUL?c'mon man..I can't remember this guy winning via KO.he's fwockin good for real but as far as I know he was never able to battered Herring like Brock did, 6' 3" 240lb?yes he has size but remember he had a close call against a middleweight Dan Henderson.and if I'm right he even lost to him once.Henderson is a Greco-Roman wrestler and its clear Minotauro had troubles with great wrestlers like Josh Barnett.So with this I don't think he can beat Randy.and we all knew he got pretty much exposed to Fedor multiple times.

Sylvia was an unskilled giant who has a good right hand.with some good take down defence and decent chin too.and so was Herring.so far that's all Minotauro has handled in the UFC.He would have all the trouble against an athletic guy and much worst it will be hell to him if he'll go up against a dominant wrestler.I mean a great wrestler.

But I do think he would defeat Mir.and I hope he does.so we can all see how Brock fairs against 'younger' opponent and if he wins again that time I hope he would get the respect he deserves.But I should still state that IMO,Randy was the best heavyweight out there and he just got served.

[Munkymagic]

Minotauro?I don't think so.He's got some mad bjj but I don't think he can submitt brock.look at his neck.his arm.too huge for a choke or an armbar.only chance is to catch his ankle like Mir did but I doubt if he's gonna make the same mistake again..Brock is just too big for everyone.i think the worst opponent for brock is someone who possess big power and great striking skills.maybe a lorenzo kane or a gabriel gonzaga.but still I'm not saying they will defeat lesnar.

Yes Minotauro. He got careless against Herring but the guy is a beast. lets not forget he's 6ft 3 and 240, as you say has some mad BJJ, is a good boxer and IS powerful.

I loved Randy and he was one of my favourite fighters but if randy would have gotten past Brock i feel he would have lost to Nog. There is no doubt about it Brock is a phenomenal athlete but regardless of Necks and arms they are still submittable. Add to that i think Nog beats him at stand up. His chin is fantastic, his recovery is great BUT he has been in some battles...that may come into play.

From what i read on here also people are talking about Brock fighting Mir should he get past Nog as if people are assuming Mir will beat Nog...please, lets get real. Mirs BJJ is not even on a level with Nogs, his wrestling is nothing to speak of and his standup is way below the par of Nogeuira's..Nog will win easily IMO.

So, it will be Nog-Brock and as much as i think Brock is a powerful, formiddable athlete i think Nog will have his number.

I don't think Minotauro is that good as you said.I think in this sport most of the time its always a matter of imposing your gameplan and I think wrestling is the most effective discipline.Minoutauro..his wrestling is not even close to Brock's and yes he has the best BJJ in the division but boxing?POWERFUL?c'mon man..I can't remember this guy winning via KO.he's fwockin good for real but as far as I know he was never able to battered Herring like Brock did, 6' 3" 240lb?yes he has size but remember he had a close call against a middleweight Dan Henderson.and if I'm right he even lost to him once.Henderson is a Greco-Roman wrestler and its clear Minotauro had troubles with great wrestlers like Josh Barnett.So with this I don't think he can beat Randy.and we all knew he got pretty much exposed to Fedor multiple times.

Sylvia was an unskilled giant who has a good right hand.with some good take down defence and decent chin too.and so was Herring.so far that's all Minotauro has handled in the UFC.He would have all the trouble against an athletic guy and much worst it will be hell to him if he'll go up against a dominant wrestler.I mean a great wrestler.

But I do think he would defeat Mir.and I hope he does.so we can all see how Brock fairs against 'younger' opponent and this time I hope he would get the respect he deserves.But I should still state that IMO,Randy was the best heavyweight out there and he just got served.

Sorry mate when i said powerful i didn't mean powerful striking i mean powerful in general, core power with the ability to hang with other powerful heavyweights. He is not a KO artist but he can wear fighters down with his striking and has a good engine.

Brock and Nog are two very different fighters. At the end of round one against Randy Brock was blowing out of his ass and (ok shoot me for this) if it would have gone another round i think the fight would have been randys. If Nog can last past the first round against Brock i am pretty sure he will get the sub. Its all very well saying his neck and arms are monstrous but when you are knackered you fall into subs and against a master like Minotauro it wont take much for you to find yourself in an armbar or a choke...and 3 rounds in carrying a 280 pound frame about for 15 mins you aint gonna power out of it. Check nog vs Bop Sapp..now i am not going to compare Sapp to Brock (insult to brock) but for Raw muscle power Sapp matches if not betters Brock...and he got caught in an armbar and couldn't power out of it. Nogs main attributes aside from his fighting skills are his incredible ability to absorb punishment and his heart. Look at him vs Mirko...he was getting beaten in the standup by Mirko but in the end Mirko succumbed to a sub. Saying all this Brock has a while to train sub defence so we will see what happens.

Going back to what you said about nog losing to Dan yes about 10 years ago he lost to dan in a dec i think (which he avenged). I always try and judge fighters on their last 5 fights as it tends to give a good indication of where they are at currently and admittedly he has had problems with Josh Barnett..lost a split won a unanimous BUT Josh has a gastank and skills that far exceed Brocks, has a sub arsenal and is an equally fantastic wrestler (for the record i think Josh would crucify Brock)

Its going to be interesting thats for sure, styles make fights and we can talk about it all we want but anything can happen in MMA. Look at Mirko vs Gonzaga!

Rep for the debate anyway