Margarito turns down fight with Mosley

[No Contest]

"Williams sat on his ass for a year gloating after the Tony win....leave him sit some more....."

Williams only sat on his ass because NO ONE wanted to fight him. Gotta disagree with you on that Daxx.

[DaxxKahn]

"Williams sat on his ass for a year gloating after the Tony win....leave him sit some more....."

Williams only sat on his ass because NO ONE wanted to fight him. Gotta disagree with you on that Daxx.

Cotto would have fought him....If he wanted to move to 154 Forrest woukld have fought him...Baldo would have fought him for a chance at a title....Spinks...I can name a dozen guys who would have fought just for a title shot....Quintana would have fought him if the opp came before a years time....Cintron would have fought him....

all that NO ONE wanted to fightr him crap is just that...crap......

When I say no one wanted to fight Tony I do not mean it in the way of them fearing him...I mean it in the way that no one thought he was worth the time...Not enough money was in it.......

No fighter at the championship level fears another....IMO that is just BS talk most of the time...

[leftylee]

"Williams sat on his ass for a year gloating after the Tony win....leave him sit some more....."

Williams only sat on his ass because NO ONE wanted to fight him. Gotta disagree with you on that Daxx.

Cotto would have fought him....If he wanted to move to 154 Forrest woukld have fought him...Baldo would have fought him for a chance at a title....Spinks...I can name a dozen guys who would have fought just for a title shot....Quintana would have fought him if the opp came before a years time....Cintron would have fought him....

all that NO ONE wanted to fightr him crap is just that...crap......

When I say no one wanted to fight Tony I do not mean it in the way of them fearing him...I mean it in the way that no one thought he was worth the time...Not enough money was in it.......

No fighter at the championship level fears another....IMO that is just BS talk most of the time...

Kermit Cintron was due to fight Williams in a unification and he then bitched out.

Williams only decided to go above welterweight as nobody at welterweight would fight him. Cotto wanted no part and Berto called him out and then wanted no part.

[No Contest]

Thats why when all these fighters were asked who they wanted to fight, nobody brought up PW. Cotto wouldn't even say Mayweather's name after fights .....Zab was not more deserving than PW at that time. You forget the fact that Tony and Paul couldn't get Cotto so they had to fight each other.

[Diane]

Thats why when all these fighters were asked who they wanted to fight, nobody brought up PW. Cotto wouldn't even say Mayweather's name after fights .....Zab was not more deserving than PW at that time. You forget the fact that Tony and Paul couldn't get Cotto so they had to fight each other.

Sorry friend, but I'm going to have to correct you on this one.

Margarito was supposed to, and agreed to fight Cotto, but once he learned that he was going to have to give up his belt for not fighting his mandatory in Williams, he turned down the fight against Cotto so that he could keep his title. Cotto was the one left without a dance partner, and that's when Judah came into play. The plan then became that as long as Cotto beat Judah, and Margarito beat Williams, they were supposed to meet up that following November. Well we all know what happened, Cotto won, Margarito lost, and that's why Cotto took on Mosley.

[ClubberLang]

"Williams sat on his ass for a year gloating after the Tony win....leave him sit some more....."

Williams only sat on his ass because NO ONE wanted to fight him. Gotta disagree with you on that Daxx.

Cotto would have fought him....If he wanted to move to 154 Forrest woukld have fought him...Baldo would have fought him for a chance at a title....Spinks...I can name a dozen guys who would have fought just for a title shot....Quintana would have fought him if the opp came before a years time....Cintron would have fought him....

all that NO ONE wanted to fightr him crap is just that...crap......

When I say no one wanted to fight Tony I do not mean it in the way of them fearing him...I mean it in the way that no one thought he was worth the time...Not enough money was in it.......

No fighter at the championship level fears another....IMO that is just BS talk most of the time...

Pure BS. Williams called out Cotto after beating Margarito and Arum wanted no part of it. He and Forrest will never fight because they have the same manager. And who the hell wants to fight Spinks? He can't get on TV and his fights are always boring. He had a unification fight set up with Cintron, but Kermit hurt his hand in a tune-up. They offered him another date but he opted for the Margo fight instead. When it is said no one of consequence would fight Williams that is a simple fact.

And Margo's team turned down $4 million for a rematch. He won't get that to rematch Cotto! I agree that Margarito does not personally fear Williams, but his people sure as hell do. That much is clear.

[DaxxKahn]

"Williams sat on his ass for a year gloating after the Tony win....leave him sit some more....."

Williams only sat on his ass because NO ONE wanted to fight him. Gotta disagree with you on that Daxx.

Cotto would have fought him....If he wanted to move to 154 Forrest woukld have fought him...Baldo would have fought him for a chance at a title....Spinks...I can name a dozen guys who would have fought just for a title shot....Quintana would have fought him if the opp came before a years time....Cintron would have fought him....

all that NO ONE wanted to fightr him crap is just that...crap......

When I say no one wanted to fight Tony I do not mean it in the way of them fearing him...I mean it in the way that no one thought he was worth the time...Not enough money was in it.......

No fighter at the championship level fears another....IMO that is just BS talk most of the time...

Pure BS. Williams called out Cotto after beating Margarito and Arum wanted no part of it. He and Forrest will never fight because they have the same manager. And who the hell wants to fight Spinks? He can't get on TV and his fights are always boring. He had a unification fight set up with Cintron, but Kermit hurt his hand in a tune-up. They offered him another date but he opted for the Margo fight instead. When it is said no one of consequence would fight Williams that is a simple fact.

And Margo's team turned down $4 million for a rematch. He won't get that to rematch Cotto! I agree that Margarito does not personally fear Williams, but his people sure as hell do. That much is clear.

Margaritos people do not fear Williams...Give me a break....as for him and Forrest was not even thinking about handlers just names that certainly do not fear stepping ion the ring with him.....

Who the hell is Paul Williams that everyone needs to answer his calls?.....A close bout with Tony and a win over Quintana after a loss to him are his biggest accomplishments.......A 1 rd KO in the rematch really proves shit TBH....Many of fighters better then Carlos have fallen victim to getting caught cold and ended on their ass.....His last fight was over a bum....Yet everyone is on his bandwagon...How about putting in some more time....Williamns seems to think that everyone is at his beckon call to answer his challenges...Thats not how it works......

The more I hear about guys being afraid to step in the ring with him the more I wonder about the people saying the shit.....No one is afraid to fight Paul Williams....Just because Margarito and his people are not inking the bout because Williams want's them to too bad....

Paul Williams is not a Bernard Hopkins, DLH, Pacquiao....He dcoes not decide who and when he fights while people just sit and are supposed to be Johnny on the spot with his offer taken.....

He is not a big draw....He is still establishing himself...His PPV stock is zero....

Wait his turn like everyone else and he will get the fight....The more shit he talks the more he waits...

EG- David Haye/Wlad Klitschko......Start demanding a fight and you get squat

[albsur2006]

I'm sorry but Margarito's camp is one of the dumbest camps in boxing. This guy is always sitting idle. I remember before he fought Clottey, I think he was inactive for 11 months. He's just off the heels of the most successful PPV this year (450,000 buys, albeit, Cotto was the draw) and he wants to wait around until next year to fight Cotto again? I'm sorry but unless this guy has some plan to fight ODLH or Mayweather next year, he's an idiot.

If you're a guy like Tony, you have to strike when the iron's hot. I don't know what he's waiting around for. 2 Million dollars is a great paycheck for a guy who has five losses on his record. Holding out for more money could leave you nowhere, look at Winky Wright. Winky Wright turned down a 4-5 Million dollar paycheck because JT was gonna make 55% and he was gonna make 45%. Now look at Winky Wright. Just imagine where his career could have gone.

You have to build on your buzz and build on your salary. And that means you have to stay active and stay in the public eye. This guy is complaining about never getting a big paycheck but big paychecks don't come from beating one guy. He's just laying around and waiting for a big fight to fall in his lap. He thinks that someone is gonna come offer him $5 Million dollars when his previous career high is only a million. He truly doesn't understand promoters. Just imagine if he took on Mosley or Clottey and won, and then took on Cotto in the summer and won again, and then closed the year out with a Paul Williams rematch. Those fights could total up to 10+ Million dollars (2 Mil for Mosley/Clottey, 4-5 Mil for Cotto, 4-5 Mil for PW)
That's a big year, money wise and professionally. And if he won all the fights, he would have essentially cleared out the welterweight division. And the money he could demand would have tripled because promoters would have to start paying him based on his last paycheck.

I just don't know what type of money he's expecting right now. The only true big name he's ever fought against is Cotto. Does he think he's gonna make $4 Million dollars anywhere else (actually he turned down 4 Mil for a PW rematch)? He's gotta get realistic. What Tony doesn't understand is that NOBODY wants him in the position he's in right now. Top Rank wanted Cotto to win that fight, ODLH wanted Cotto to win to he could fight him, Mayweather probably would have fought Cotto, HBO definitely doesn't wanna see Tony on top because he's not that promotable to the American public quite honestly. If he loses, he's getting thrown back on the shelf and he'll go back to whining again. So he should at least stay as active as possible. Everyone around him is.

[ClubberLang]

Margaritos people do not fear Williams...Give me a break....

Then explain to me why they turned down $4 million for the rematch? That would be far and away the biggest payday of his career. His career best is the $1.7 million he got to fight Cotto. The Mosley fight was for $2 million. He probably won't get more than $3 million to rematch Cotto (that was Cotto's purse in the first fight). Why turn down such a big payday if they aren't afraid to let their man fight him?

[DaxxKahn]

Margaritos people do not fear Williams...Give me a break....

Then explain to me why they turned down $4 million for the rematch? That would be far and away the biggest payday of his career. His career best is the $1.7 million he got to fight Cotto. The Mosley fight was for $2 million. He probably won't get more than $3 million to rematch Cotto (that was Cotto's purse in the first fight). Why turn down such a big payday if they aren't afraid to let their man fight him?

That was an alleged $4 Million....Something Williams camp claimed....

Just like when Cassamayor claimed that Pacquiao turned down that same amount to fight him...(He actually told me that himself).....

There was never confirmation that there was a guaranteed $4 Million to rematch Williams.....

You guys kill me...You read somewhere that there was a "Supposed" offer of $4 million and it has to be true.....

Who the hell is paying Williams that much?...Williams sure as hell is not going into a fight with a guy like Margarito prior victory over him or not and allowing him to make $4 million while he only gets maybe half if he is lucky....

Paul Williams is not a big enough draw for a $4 million dollar payday...

I swear I don't think some of you guys realize that this is a business and the fighters do not decide how much they are going to offer another...and 85% of the time the original offer a fighters management team or promoter claim to have offered is bullshit for the sake of publicity....

Margarito would fight his own Mother for $4 million dollars....and she would encourage the bout to take place!!!!!

Unless a promoter/Promoters know they will make money off a fight that exceeds the purses by a large margin they will not garner such paydays....

On PPV Williams might as well be Joe Schmoe....PPV is where the money is at....PPV is where the sport makes dollars and cents off the casual fan....The casual fan is not paying $49.99 for Paul "what is his name"

Margarito is not a huge PPV draw...In fact it was Cotto's name that marketed their fight to the mass public.....

When you hear about fights like Calzaghe/Jones only having 225,000 buys the promoters would have taken a bath in the bout...They would have lost money....Calzaghe and Jones only made hefty paydays because they promoted the fight themselves....They did that because they knew they would not have gotten a fraction of what they did if they had promoters handling it...And Calzaghe is one of the 5 biggest names in the sport right now....

If a promoter gave both Williams and Margarito $4 and it did anything less then 350,000 they would lose a fortune....And NO PROMOTER is going to do such a thing.....

Stop basing your argument on hear say and media hype

[ClubberLang]

Margaritos people do not fear Williams...Give me a break....

Then explain to me why they turned down $4 million for the rematch? That would be far and away the biggest payday of his career. His career best is the $1.7 million he got to fight Cotto. The Mosley fight was for $2 million. He probably won't get more than $3 million to rematch Cotto (that was Cotto's purse in the first fight). Why turn down such a big payday if they aren't afraid to let their man fight him?

That was an alleged $4 Million....Something Williams camp claimed....

Just like when Cassamayor claimed that Pacquiao turned down that same amount to fight him...(He actually told me that himself).....

There was never confirmation that there was a guaranteed $4 Million to rematch Williams.....

You guys kill me...You read somewhere that there was a "Supposed" offer of $4 million and it has to be true.....

Who the hell is paying Williams that much?...Williams sure as hell is not going into a fight with a guy like Margarito prior victory over him or not and allowing him to make $4 million while he only gets maybe half if he is lucky....

Paul Williams is not a big enough draw for a $4 million dollar payday...

I swear I don't think some of you guys realize that this is a business and the fighters do not decide how much they are going to offer another...and 85% of the time the original offer a fighters management team or promoter claim to have offered is bullshit for the sake of publicity....

Margarito would fight his own Mother for $4 million dollars....and she would encourage the bout to take place!!!!!

Unless a promoter/Promoters know they will make money off a fight that exceeds the purses by a large margin they will not garner such paydays....

On PPV Williams might as well be Joe Schmoe....PPV is where the money is at....PPV is where the sport makes dollars and cents off the casual fan....The casual fan is not paying $49.99 for Paul "what is his name"

Margarito is not a huge PPV draw...In fact it was Cotto's name that marketed their fight to the mass public.....

When you hear about fights like Calzaghe/Jones only having 225,000 buys the promoters would have taken a bath in the bout...They would have lost money....Calzaghe and Jones only made hefty paydays because they promoted the fight themselves....They did that because they knew they would not have gotten a fraction of what they did if they had promoters handling it...And Calzaghe is one of the 5 biggest names in the sport right now....

If a promoter gave both Williams and Margarito $4 and it did anything less then 350,000 they would lose a fortune....And NO PROMOTER is going to do such a thing.....

Stop basing your argument on hear say and media hype

It wasn't hearsay, smart guy. Dan Rafael reported it on ESPN.com. He doesn't report on something unless it's solid. It was a solid offer that they turned down. Nice try, though. Keep making excuses for the fact that Margarito's people want no part of Williams.

[Diane]

Okay, this was on the front page of Fightnews.com, so no direct link.

Margarito on Mosley rejection!
By Gabriel F. Cordero
"Mosley is not all to continue with my career," says WBA welterweight champion Antonio Margarito. Earlier this week "The Tijuana Tornado" rejected a two million dollar offer to defend against the three-division former world champion Sugar Shane Mosley. "De La Hoya didn't keep his word, went around me, made excuses, and in the end didn't have seriousness in his words," said Margarito. "I am doing exactly the same thing, so they can't complain." The possibility exists that Margarito would carry out a defense in Mexico or the USA before a likely rematch with Miguel Cotto with a probable date of June 2009. Mosley's promoter Golden Boy Promotions issued a scathing press release to Spanish-language media calling Margarito "scared" among others things for refusing to meet Mosley on January 24th. Mosley is now expected to face WBC champ Andre Berto.
Friday, November 21 2008

"De La Hoya didn't keep his word, went around me, made excuses, and in the end didn't have seriousness in his words," said Margarito. "I am doing exactly the same thing, so they can't complain."

Now I like Tony, but this seriously makes me lose some respect for him.

First, why would he want to act in a manner that he thrashed Oscar for? And then say it's acceptable for him to be like that.

Second, what does Shane have to do with Oscar's decisions?

So now he's either not going to fight before fighting Cotto again, which would be a mistake in my opinion, or fighting a lesser name for less money. For someone who keeps talking that he wants big pay days, it makes no sense at all to me.

I still like Tony, but I'm very disappointed in him right now.

[ICB]

Margaritos people do not fear Williams...Give me a break....

Then explain to me why they turned down $4 million for the rematch? That would be far and away the biggest payday of his career. His career best is the $1.7 million he got to fight Cotto. The Mosley fight was for $2 million. He probably won't get more than $3 million to rematch Cotto (that was Cotto's purse in the first fight). Why turn down such a big payday if they aren't afraid to let their man fight him?

That was an alleged $4 Million....Something Williams camp claimed....

Just like when Cassamayor claimed that Pacquiao turned down that same amount to fight him...(He actually told me that himself).....

There was never confirmation that there was a guaranteed $4 Million to rematch Williams.....

You guys kill me...You read somewhere that there was a "Supposed" offer of $4 million and it has to be true.....

Who the hell is paying Williams that much?...Williams sure as hell is not going into a fight with a guy like Margarito prior victory over him or not and allowing him to make $4 million while he only gets maybe half if he is lucky....

Paul Williams is not a big enough draw for a $4 million dollar payday...

I swear I don't think some of you guys realize that this is a business and the fighters do not decide how much they are going to offer another...and 85% of the time the original offer a fighters management team or promoter claim to have offered is bullshit for the sake of publicity....

Margarito would fight his own Mother for $4 million dollars....and she would encourage the bout to take place!!!!!

Unless a promoter/Promoters know they will make money off a fight that exceeds the purses by a large margin they will not garner such paydays....

On PPV Williams might as well be Joe Schmoe....PPV is where the money is at....PPV is where the sport makes dollars and cents off the casual fan....The casual fan is not paying $49.99 for Paul "what is his name"

Margarito is not a huge PPV draw...In fact it was Cotto's name that marketed their fight to the mass public.....

When you hear about fights like Calzaghe/Jones only having 225,000 buys the promoters would have taken a bath in the bout...They would have lost money....Calzaghe and Jones only made hefty paydays because they promoted the fight themselves....They did that because they knew they would not have gotten a fraction of what they did if they had promoters handling it...And Calzaghe is one of the 5 biggest names in the sport right now....

If a promoter gave both Williams and Margarito $4 and it did anything less then 350,000 they would lose a fortune....And NO PROMOTER is going to do such a thing.....

Stop basing your argument on hear say and media hype

And Antonio Margarito allegly offered Floyd Mayweather 8 Million Dollars. But that doesn't mean thats true either, yet all the Floyd Mayweather haters use that argument all the time. And i seriously doubt a no namer like Antonio Margarito was at that time would have that kind of offer.